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Honda EB, EV EM EL


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Old 08-17-2012, 05:58:58 PM
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...Does anyone know what the letters mean? EB, EL, EM, EN??? Just curious
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_E_engine
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Sorry, I should have been more specific...In the generator lineup, what does those prefix's mean? Ex...EB5000, verus' EM5000...etc
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

Powerking-

You may get a better answer if you contact Honda directly, rather than a local dealer. Looking at an old Honda catalog, I found a listing under Accessories, that suggests:

EU, EX = "Super Quiet"
EM = "Deluxe"
EB, ES, EW = "Industrial"
EG, EN = "Economy"

I understand the EU series all use inverter technology, but there are inverter models in the EM (i-Deluxe) and EB (i-Pro) series as well.

Fred
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...Thanks Fred!! Thats exactly what I was looking for!!
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

..Do all of the "EB" series Honda's put out higher voltage? I still find it odd that my EB6500X puts out 132 volts and that IS normal.. I figured there was a trimmer pot on the AVR but there's not....
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I think that most generators have an output higher than 120 VAC with no load. Ten percent is considered acceptable, but I expect a better generator to have tighter regulation than that.

You might try a couple different types of voltmeter and see if that makes any difference. Generators don't usually produce a perfect sine wave. Some meters respond to odd waveforms differently than others. (Peak reading vs average reading vs true RMS.)

Engine speed is usually higher with no load, and that may also contribute to a high voltage. Have you checked your generator frequency? You may be able to lower voltage by slowing it down slightly, as long as you do not go below 60 Hz under load.

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Fred, Yes my Hz is right at 60hzand were @ 3750 rpm's no load. i have another Gen set my by Endress and it is putting out 125v AC. The endress is a brushless set, the Honda is not...maybe that has something to do with it
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

Try it again with a 60 or 100 watt bulb on it. Some gens need a little load to make them run right. Sometime odd things happen at no-load, gens were designed to produce power.
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:22:44 PM
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

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...my Hz is right at 60hzand were @ 3750 rpm's no load...
That statement implies that either your tachometer or frequency meter is out of calibration.

With very rare exception, RPM/60=Hz (given a 2 pole set). So 3750RPM=62.5hz or 3600RPM=60hz.
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....Will have to go out and check again today an measure again with my other hz meter.......so basically what your saying is to worry more about the hz than the voltage? As long as I am at 60hz, the little higher voltage should be alright?
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

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There may be some confusion here. An engine speed of 3750 RPM with a generator frequency of 62.5 Hz is fine with no load. If your no-load voltage never goes above 132 VAC (or 264 VAC at the 240 VAC outlet), you will be OK.

What I think is more important is voltage and frequency at full load.

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Thanks Fred for your info...today I checked and had 3680 for rpms and 61 hz with 132volts no load. I brought out the hair dryer and a small space heater and loaded it up good....hz came down to 59 and voltage was at 130, so I would say she's a keeper! I was thinking of selling it off, but now she's staying put!
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

Newbie here and hope I am not bringing up a thread that is too old. With those numbers you are on the borderline of cooking the capacitors of any equipment connected to it.

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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

Voltage is a little on the hi side, but it might still be within power company voltage specs.
But anyways I would expect there would be enough voltage safty margin in any attached equipment so that it would tolerate this minor higher voltage.

I go this from someone here, ANSI C84.1 range A utilization voltage standards, 110-125V.
Still it's pretty close, likely close enough.
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

.....130vac...is within Spec...that info comes directly from Honda and is also in the factory service manual I acquired.....The industrial series, supposedly has the avr turned up more, due to it being industrial, it's usally at a construction site with 10 extension cords that are running 100 feet!
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

My EM6500sx is at 129V at no load (I forget the Hz, but it was as one would expect... around 61). With 3000 watts load (two 1500 watt heaters), it only dropped to 127 or so (going from memory here, it's been a while since I checked it). I was surprised it was so high, especially for one that is not "commercial/industrial).

And for the original poster: one of the differences between the EM6500 and the EB6500 is that the "industrial" EB6500 has ground fault (GFI) outlets (required by OSHA when using a generator on a job site). The EM6500 does not have GFI outlets - supposedly this makes it more suited for use as an emergency backup generator for the home... plugging your house into a generator with a GFI outlet can cause nuisance tripping of the ground fault circuits (something about how the GFI in the house doesn't "play nice" with the GFI on the generator).
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Default Re: Honda EB, EV EM EL

All Honda EB series a neutral bonded (neutral and ground are connected). Most can have this bond disconnected, should it be necessary to connect an EB model to a transfer switch and power up a building (most buildings are already neutral bonded).

All other Honda generators are NOT neutral bonded (floating ground) but do have a ground lug to use as needed. With out the neutral bond, a typical household "plug tester" will give a error message or caution light; not to worry, but consult with a certified electrician to make sure the use/installing of your generator complies with all local codes.

I've see a few situations when a standby / battery back-up type computer power supply device would not work when used with a non-neutral bonded generator, because the device does not detect the neutral bonding. This is because the designers of the device assume they will only be plugged into a house outlet, and not a stand-alone generator.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
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