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1927 20-35 Allis Chalmers


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So I'm looking for some advice and info on oil filters.

I have the original Purolator Type B filter for this tractor, and have figured out how it mounts.

Nevermind that I had the intake manifold upside down

But what I am having a hard time researching is what to put back INTO this filter.

The original "filter" element is a piece of cloth over a large spring with a metal adapter plate on top that fits into the filter housing top.



Now, being we are in the 21st century now, there are much better filters available today.

What I want to do is find a better modern (& easily available) filter that I can put inside this original filter housing. I can have an adapter plate made if necessary.
I just don't know were to start to figure out WHAT type of filter to use??
It's not like I can cross reference this old original one, LOL!

My thinking is to find some type of cartridge oil filter like this:
http://www.steinertractor.com/ABC493...ype-oil-filter

But how do I know what type to use?
What type of flow is required?
Will too much back pressure cause issues? To little?

Just so many questions. ANY help or advice is welcome Thanks!
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Default Re: 1927 20-35 Allis Chalmers

That is a bypass type oil filter. As you can see, it taps into the main oil gallery line from the oil pump so all of the oil does not go through the filter before being delivered to the engine. Eventually all the oil may get filtered!

You just need to find a filter long enough to fit in the housing or you may have to find a couple of shorter ones that stack to get close to the length you need.

As to pressure, my 20-35's show 60 psi cold and run about 40 hot.

You might want to check Tony Thompsons thread from a few years ago when he got his '27 going. I think he may have done some research on the filters for that particular unit.
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That is a bypass type oil filter. As you can see, it taps into the main oil gallery line from the oil pump so all of the oil does not go through the filter before being delivered to the engine. Eventually all the oil may get filtered!

You just need to find a filter long enough to fit in the housing or you may have to find a couple of shorter ones that stack to get close to the length you need.

As to pressure, my 20-35's show 60 psi cold and run about 40 hot.

You might want to check Tony Thompsons thread from a few years ago when he got his '27 going. I think he may have done some research on the filters for that particular unit.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...=114173&page=6
You bring up a good point, I should reread what had been done more often. I have read through Tony's post several times, but had forgot about his filter info. I just reread that bit, and his is an aftermarket filter unit. But I am wondering if the canister filter he used would also work in my application? I'll have to do some digging.

As for the correct length issue, I was planning on just fabing up an "adapter plate" to put into the bottom of my canister (remember on mine the dome is at the bottom) to "fill up" the extra space to where ever the new filter comes down to.
See any reason why this would not work?

And is it safe to assume that sense this is not a full flow filter, that it doesn't really matter what kind of filter I put in it? So long as it is filtering something?
A filter with a more "free-flowing" resistance would be better correct?
Kinda thinking out loud here, open for input, where the filter experts at? thanks.
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Jacob, anything is probably better than the old spring in a sock that was original equipment!!
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A young friend of mine who has a pretty impressive stable of A-Cs including two 20-35s has discovered that a LF 485 Hastings filter works in that Purolator housing. Really enjoy this thread Jacob keep up the good work. TR
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A young friend of mine who has a pretty impressive stable of A-Cs including two 20-35s has discovered that a LF 485 Hastings filter works in that Purolator housing. Really enjoy this thread Jacob keep up the good work. TR
Thanks TR!
Just so we are clear, are you sure this filter is for MY style of Purolator, and not the later more common Purolator housings found on '28's and '29's? They are different.
Mine has no bolt going down through the center like the later ones do.
If it is for mine, how did he go about sealing up the bottom hole in the filter, and what kind of adapter plates were needed for either the bottom to hold it in place, or for the top to connect to housing?

A quick cross reference finds a NAPA 1155
http://www.nfhconnect.com/Lookup/Par...4547&Brand=NAP
I would prefer something that I can pick up at any NAPA, etc.. and not have to order online (as I believe none of the common stores carry Hastings? Or am I wrong?).
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Another small victory today!

I got the fan hub taken the rest of the way apart, all the parts cleaned up, new seal installed and everything put back together.



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A little tip: A piece of 1 1/2" PVC is the perfect size to drive the sleeve back into the hub


And done!



I'm running out of parts to work on here, I'm going to have to make a trip home soon...
I did order some more goodies today... Stay tuned for more fun!
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Pretty sure that Hastings filter is for the 28 and up. Sorry didn't realize the 27 was that different. You might try it any way it's probably not too expensive, and it just might work.
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Jacob, how did you get the bearing sleeve out?
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