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New Pioneer Project at Mark's Machine Shop


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Nice collection of lots of pictures from and related to the SCAEC.
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That tractor has some pretty modern features. Craig do you think it has done a lot of work or was capable of earning it's keep? Being that rare makes one wonder if it was successful.
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I don't know, Clyde, but I suspect if it did much work it was on the belt as the lugs show only slight wear.
It appears the rods were Babbitted somewhere along the line but we'll all know more when the heads come off and the pistons removed.
You, of all people, know looks can be deceiving.......
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That tractor has some pretty modern features. Craig do you think it has done a lot of work or was capable of earning it's keep? Being that rare makes one wonder if it was successful.
As Per the write-up in our Club's 10th Anniversary Picture Book, it "appears to be quite powerful, although we have never been brave enough to give it a good workout for fear of breaking something that can't be replaced."

And that "When Lloyd got the tractor, it was in good mechanical shape, needing only minor repairs".

No Records of how long it sat during the 50 years prior to Lloyd finding it, or what it was used for, whether it was plowing (doubtful given the condition of the wheels & lugs) or threshing & other belt work. Whether it was used a couple/few years and retired or if it was used for 10-20 years or more. Given the good mechanical condition it sure lived a rough life sheet metal wise either being beat & banged on repeatedly or having had a tree or shed collapse on it.

That all being said, as it was thought to be the only one known to exist in the 1970s we never put it to work on the Sawmill or at the Fall Plowing Demonstrations as there were No Spare Parts Available if anything got broke on it. Granted, my Dad could have Fixed or Fabricated anything on it as he did on so many other pieces of equipment at the time restoring things no-one else could at the time, (for himself and hundreds of other club members), it would have been by Fixing/Fabricating where now-days we have people like Wendell Kelch and Allen Severnson and others (hope I spelled them right) that go the extra mile having new parts Cast & Machined to original specs. Now it kind of comes down to how big a risk the owner wants to assume with a Super Rare Tractor and How Deep their pockets are if anything were to happen.



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I suppose it's also possible if it was used on a Sawmill and/or for other belt work it may have been used with the hood removed and it got stepped on and smashed up while off the tractor.

Not having seen the tractor in person in over 35 years I don't remember what shape the fenders were in compared to the hood. Would have to go through dozens of photo albums looking for other views.

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When I went back to the shop for my prescribed coffee I was looking over the tractor again and thought to myself the cooling plumbing isn't anywhere nearly large enough for thermosyphon cooling so I hunted around for a water pump.
Sure enough.......it's hidden behind the frame and driven by the same vertical shaft that drives the transmission oil pump.
Then I scrutinized the governor casting and, whoa, that thing is a work of art!
It's a crazy complex casting and the machining involved is amazing.
There's a whole lot of stuff going on inside that housing.
The entire thing is cast in one piece from the mounting flange on outward.......

Since it has been identified as a Pioneer I'm going to change the thread title.

edit: I also checked out the angle lugs........they are like new showing virtually no wear.......
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Nope, not a Gibson. I'm not sure what that little feller is.
Little one on the left is a JD L(variation) and the one on the right looks like a Gibson (H maybe.)

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I've been concentrating more on the earlier model tractors & equipment when shooting pictures Of pictures from the photo albums for posting on the Club's Facebook page but if I remember I will see if I can find a better shot of the "Gibson"(?) for positive identification. With the originals being high quality 35mm I should be able to tell by looking at THAT picture again (which Jims is a reprint of) (or he can look at his copy with a magnifying glass and save me the time)

Next Club Meeting is still 2 1/2 weeks away on the 18th so it will depend on how good my memory is by then. If Not, then it will be March 18th before I get in there again to look.

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I took some more photos of the tractor's features.
Halcon had mentioned some advanced features on this machine.
One of them might be the sprung front axle.
There is what a believe is a bracket which I think is for a belt guide pulley to carry the belt over the front axle similar to those on Aultman Taylors.
Also a close shot of the wheel lugs.
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They didn't make everything they used.
Why make a part when a pipe cap will work to support the steering shaft?
Also a shot of the water pump which isn't in the handiest spot for dealing with leaking packings.......
And the helical drive gears from one of the camshafts which drives the "side shaft" that runs to and through the governor housing.
Those gears do a lot of work driving the governor, transmission oil pump, water pump, fan and magneto.
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Don't know what the crankshaft RPM is but those skew gears dangle right along. But I guess those pumps are not real big so they would have to run a fair speed to do there job Craig, Do the cam shaft(s) Drive of the opposite end of the crankshaft from where the last photo in post 39 was taken? It is quite complicated. If all those parts were wore out it would be a big rebuild job.
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