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Old 08-26-2008, 05:08:03 PM
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Gary, i think the weights were kept down to keep shipping costs reasonable? and as to not scare new owners that these were big heavey machines that were going to crash through every bridge and sink in every low spot. im sure if they had listed a dry weight of 24 ton on the 150 instead of 18, they never would have got one out of the factory grounds.
Jerred, was the actual dry weight on this 40 20 tons, or was that a guess? i was thinking 20 was more of a loaded weight for the 25 DRM engines with 5/8 boiler. but its hard to say for sure because i dont think many have been weighed over the years?
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I believe this is one of the threads you are referring to:

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22752

Nice to know the engine is closer to me! Sure would like to see it steamed up next to the 40 Reeves.

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I remember Colin saying the 110 Case weight was under stated so the tax would be less.
Yes, and I have a 150 case in brooklyn for sale.

Man -Case had to have some fast talking saleman to pass off a story like that.

Anyway, think I have this on my 09 show wish list.
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Peter, see my post above. i think there is some confusion going on. Case wasn't passing (gas) off any stories that ive ever heard? not sure what your getting at?
please keep on track...We're talking about this 40 Gaar and doing some comparing etc.
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Peter & Colin,

It would be great fun to know all of the tricks that were played back when the engines were new and their purpose. The catalog commentaries were always fun.

Back to the 40 Gaar & its future.

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Lawrence, et all,
The 40 HP DID use pretty much the same boiler as the 25, just with different motor mounts. How they got the higher HP is using the steam expansively in the four cylinders, 6 1/2 x 10 x 11, if memory is serving me right.

The wheels are same diameter as the 25 HP DRM (76"Ř as stated above) but are wider (30" vs 26" on 25's)

In looking thru my parts books previously (which I've unfortunately got loaned out right now) I haven't found a whole lot of difference on the parts between a 25 and a 40 besides rear wheels, engine, and crow's nest steering and water tanks.

I consider them quite an impressive engine, and one that I've studied the old catalogs, parts books, testimonials, etc. to try to decipher all I can. I know of at least 20 distinctly different engines I've seen pics of or have evidence of that existed back in the steam era. I'd say Gaar probably built a lot more, and have seen some more pics of, but don't have proof positive that they weren't the same engine featured in other photos that I DO know their "pedigree". Unfortunately, as far as I know at this time, no records survived from Gaar, so have no way of knowing for sure how many of these big things were built. (Brenda, I'm still promising you that article!)

Jerred, congrats again on one of the most impressive pieces of steam history I think a fellow could ever have!

A Gaar-Scott aficianado,
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Wellll Its many a day I've traveled a hundred miles or more but an engine with four cylinders I've never seen before
(words to a little Irish ditty)

I could not resist the urge to travel the 120 miles to Forest City to see this engine, I, and the number one man in my life, My 6 year old son Christian arrived in FC and were kindly given the Royal treatment by Jim Oulman, A tour of the grounds to see the terrific collection was given and was enjoyed by one and all, If you haven't seen the grounds or the collection housed there it is well worth the effort,, It must rank as one of the largest collections in the USA? anyway here are a few photos of "The Beast"
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:18:56 PM
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Congratulations Jerred!
It is an exciting time when a such a great engine comes back into the spotlight. It sounds like it comes to a good home. it is also great to see all the interest shown from the local steam fraternity, making the effort to come and see this unique and rare engine. It is nice to know there are still places where people value the early tractors and engines for what they are.
Not sure if the 40 still runs in Saskatchewan but I saw it working a few years back at WDM Yorkton. It would have been at 100# there but it was still quite a sight and sound on the saw mill. Having run the Port Huron DTC here a bit, I don't think you get much compound effort at 100# but it still sounds nice. If the 40 Gaar has the same boiler as the 25 single we have run a bit here, then there should be plenty of steam to maintain that big motor. You could set up an apartment in the 25's firebox!
The Port Huron has a 19hp Longfellow lap boiler and was rated at 190# new. Restricted to 100# here, it is a bugger to keep up to all those cylinders! We had it on a fan at the Forest, Ontario show a couple of weeks back and also ran a while on their veneer mill. We were burning wood and if you keep her close to 100# and force her a bit, you can hang on. I put a new Conbraco relief valve on before the show and as it happens, it pops at about 104-5# so that is helpful. The Gaar would be a lot more fun though even at 100#. Can just imagine what either engine would do at 150-175#!!!
All the best with your Gaar-Scott Jerred. Having worked a bit on the 25 here, they are a first class engine in every way. And by the way, I don't think very many people have bothered themselves to come see the 25 here since it arrived from Saskatchewan in 2006 so enjoy the attention there!!!! Hope to see the 40 in action some day.
Rick M.

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