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Old 08-27-2008, 10:06:40 AM
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I ran out of thanks buttons...but thanks for the amazing photos. As many of you know, some of us are planning a trip down later this afternoon. I can't wait to see the ol' girl in person.

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Hi Lawrence, Yes I did know you were traveling today, But as I have to work to make a dollar to pay for all my toys I would not have been able to tag along, Christian my son has not stopped talking about the dinosaur bones, teeth, dung, and Indian arrowheads since returning, I have quite a few more photos that Ill post in a bit, have a safe journey,
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thanks for all the pic's ! cant wait to see that big cat all fixed up keep us up to date .
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The big 40hp Gaar Scott is going to be the the big talk for a very long time..... what are your thoughts?
This engine was rated up in Hp due to the theory of using the steam more like Mike M said earlier, not actual size or power developed. its more comparable to engines in the 28/30-90Hp range. (ive seen one^-see my post above) Gary mentioned the Peerless is just a 120, I believe 99% of the Big Rumelys were 36-120, and the biggest/heaviest? one, the 40 Reeves was rerated 140 from 120 when it got its 175psi boiler. the 110 Case comes in with 38 actual boiler hp. the Avery was rated from 30hp to 40 on pressure alone. The 40 Advance is a heavy engine but not huge on power. Keep in mind any compound was made for efficiency and not power. people get giddy over engines like this and think power right away, but the engineers were thinking more efficiency. They thought they could do the work of a 40 Hp engine with less engine. Another fun fact(im not trying to start an arguemnt with) is the 75 Case Tandem compound has a few more cubic inches than this beast. it carried anywhere form 130 to 150 psi depending on age and location. we have the calculations written down somewhere here but i dont think ill be able to find them before i get away.
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When the Tylers worked the engine in the day, how did it stack up against the 32 reeves? I am guessing the engine would have carried @130psi, I dought it would keep up with the later higher pressure engines. When they talked about the engine what did they say about it?
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To my knowledge, the Tylers never worked this engine with any kind of load. I'm pretty sure I saw it the only time they ever had it steamed up and they only ran a big Red River Special wooden threshing machine, which I took 16mm movies of... and later put on 8-mm video tape.

I know it came from a farm in the wide open prairie area between Big Timber and Harlowton, Montana, but I have no idea how it did there? It had set on that farm for quite a number of years since it had last run, before Charlie Tyler bought it.

Since I've seen Reeves US#7888 and CS#7181 run with a load, I'd bet the Gaar Scott may have its work cut out for it, especially with #7181 at 175psi, but that may not be true.

I do happen to have the late Max Tyler's opinion of what he thought the Gaar Scott would do.....
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After seeing both the 33hp and the 40hp Gaar Scott smokebox doors, I'd say the Tyler smokebox door had been replaced somewhere along the line? It is a "Rumely" - Gaar Scott door, which I don't think existed at the time the 40hp was built? It would be the same door as used on the later butt-strap 25 hp DRM engines.

I have never been able to find one photo, or any information about any 40hp Gaar Scott ever having a butt strap boiler. I don't remember what Mike McKnight told me from his catalog, but I don't think he had any positive information regarding that aspect. I've seen several butt strap 25hp DRM Gaar Scott boilers. The one Bob Anderson has (had?) was a heavy boiler and had the motor (engine proper???) mounts for the double tandem compound motor, but did not have a butt-strap barrel seam. Bob told me it was a lap-seam boiler.
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If the big Gaar is a 2 @ 6.5x10x11, then it's 2458 CI (730 devoted to high pressure cylinders).
The Case 80 compound at the 1913 Winnipeg trials was a 9.25x13x11. That computes to 2199 CI (740 devoted to the high pressure cylinder). What was the size of the compounded 75?

At 250rpm, 150psi, I'd expect the big Gaar to put out around 120HP. Still under the Case 110 but a mighty impressive #. And should be smooth power. Especially when you think how it's a physically smaller engine.

I can't see Case's 110 boiler generating 38 boiler HP. It's quite a bit smaller than either Bill's Sawyer 115 boiler (rated 35) or Doug's big Waterloo 30HP boiler. Didn't Case rate them a 32?

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This engine was rated up in Hp due to the theory of using the steam more like Mike M said earlier, not actual size or power developed. its more comparable to engines in the 28/30-90Hp range. (ive seen one^-see my post above) Gary mentioned the Peerless is just a 120, I believe 99% of the Big Rumelys were 36-120, and the biggest/heaviest? one, the 40 Reeves was rerated 140 from 120 when it got its 175psi boiler. the 110 Case comes in with 38 actual boiler hp. the Avery was rated from 30hp to 40 on pressure alone. The 40 Advance is a heavy engine but not huge on power. Keep in mind any compound was made for efficiency and not power. people get giddy over engines like this and think power right away, but the engineers were thinking more efficiency. They thought they could do the work of a 40 Hp engine with less engine. Another fun fact(im not trying to start an arguemnt with) is the 75 Case Tandem compound has a few more cubic inches than this beast. it carried anywhere form 130 to 150 psi depending on age and location. we have the calculations written down somewhere here but i dont think ill be able to find them before i get away.
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" can't see Case's 110 boiler generating 38 boiler HP. It's quite a bit smaller than either Bill's Sawyer 115 boiler (rated 35) or Doug's big Waterloo 30HP boiler. Didn't Case rate them a 32?"

Its square feet works out to 38.5, the 1st ones were actually 40 becaue they had 2 extra tubes untill mid 1910 i think)
Dad owned most of a 30hp waterloo and it barely checked out to 30hp(short of tubes) i believe the 115 SM is quite similar in size to a 110.(same barrel size) these 25 and 40 Gaars check out to just under 30 square feet of boiler hp... time to get the tape and calculator out Rob...?
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