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Old 09-18-2018, 05:08:08 PM
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Hello all
Here's an engine that may be of interest to some in Australia and a bit of a novelty for those in the US. A Perkins V8 diesel. It's a whopping 510 cubic inches in capacity giving 170hp (?) and made in 1967 I think..... and bloody heavy. As it sits as a unit it's 1,680kgs as weighed by the forklift.
The previous owners brought a business and this old girl was included. They knew nothing about it and did not know if she ran or not so, on a pig and a poke, I did a 10 1/2hr round trip in the neighbour's little truck to pick her up.
She was a genset but the generator side of things was really sad. It needs to be re-wound. It won't be thrown away as it is worth saving as it's Australian made. When I have more time I may rewind it.

I've been really time poor for the last 12 months or so so it was all a bit of a rush to get it out to the farm and there was not much time to play with her. About an hour was it.
So armed with a little Wisconsin fuel tank with some diesel and a couple of batteries I had a bit of a look at things.
I looked at the dipstick and oil was at the right level and not new clear, but clear.
Took the air cleaner out and looked. Nice and spotless.
I wound her over and the oil pressure moved. Goodo
Hooked the little fuel tank up and bled her to the filter. It was still really full so didn't bother to bleed at the pump. It looked as though the fuel lines had just been cut to move the unit.
Wound her over in anger and away she went. Oh what a pleasant noise.
But there's something I'd like to learn. She runs as a genset which means at 1 speed and at about 1,000-1,200 rpm. I'd like to slow the idle speed down a lot.
At the moment both speed adjustments are locked together so there is no throttle control. It's a 1 speed engine.
Is the idle adjustment the top adjustment on the pump and the bottom adjustment for high revs? I had a few moments to look and think about it and I came up with that. Probably not right so I'd thought those more knowledgeable then me would know. I'm not bothered about increasing the maximum speed. I'd just like it to idle a lot slower.
She has the Minimec pump on it if I remember. If I could bother you with any of the other settings/controls that would be great.

Anyways here are a couple of pictures. Sorry about the quality but I left my camera behind and only had the phone camera. I'll be back in a couple of weeks so some better pictures then if I remember the camera.
I have no idea what she came off originally but I think it may have an SAE adapter on the end. I didn't take a close look, it was just a glance, so may well be wrong. The things you forget when your in a hurry.
The engines that came out of tractors had a different setup with the oil coolers didn't they? Again....I don't know for sure.

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The Massey Ferguson 1150 tractor used the 510, V8 diesels were a bit of a fad in tractors in the 70’s. The MF 1150 prompted IH to build the 1468 which used the biggest ether sniffing, torque lacking POS of a engine, the DV-550...

My old boss at the case IH dealer told me once, they sold a handful of 1468 tractors when they came out. He advised them to buy the 1466 turbo 6 model as it was the better tractor, but nope they had to have the “hotrod” tractor. Then come ploughing he got a few angry phone calls because the tractor wouldn’t pull as well as they thought it should...... he resisted the urge to say I told you so....
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There were a few of the Massey 1150s and the 1155 version , here. They had a lot of injection pump issues and the motors were also not too well balanced. My neighbor had a few and had it all figured out, he could walk up to one while running and if the fenders shook a certain way he knew where to look for the problem. He got a lot of service from them over the years. Those tractors also had more than their fair share of hydraulic pump failures as well. The big V8 was a lot better in the Massey 860 combines, I think that the load was steadier and not pulling to the max. They lasted longer than the combine in most cases.
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Hi Scott
Your Minimeck pump will have a splined throttle shaft passing through the pump fairly high up. On one side it should have a cam clamped to it and contacting two stop screws. These screws are the maximum speed and the idle. You can adjust them to the speed you desire. You will soon tell which is which. More speed needs more spring pressure. The adjustable screw that protrudes from the back of the pump, fairly low down, is a buffer to prevent the engine from surging and or stalling when returning to idle. This adjustment would be best left alone unless there is a problem. If your engine was speced for a gen set the governor springs fitted may not permit a very low idle speed. Let us know how it responds to adjustment.
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You have the little V-8, I have the 640, 250 HP.
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If your engine was speced for a gen set the governor springs fitted may not permit a very low idle speed.
Thanks matey. The cam is exactly as I suspected. I'll try the top one first seeing it's the easiest to get to.
I don't think it was speced as a gen set. The gen side is only 35kVA and the overall setup is fairly 'agricultural'. Time will tell.
When I'm back home in a couple of weeks there'll be time for another play and more pictures.

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The Massey Ferguson 1150 tractor used the 510, V8 diesels were a bit of a fad in tractors in the 70’s. The MF 1150 prompted IH to build the 1468 which used the biggest ether sniffing, torque lacking POS of a engine, the DV-550...
Tell us what you really think.
It sounds like those decision makers went to microsoft. Why change things when they work well? Each update is a step backwards.

Cheers and ta all
Scott

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You have the little V-8, I have the 640, 250 HP.
Are they the same block with different liners etc? Or was that the 540? More like 540.

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I was thinking the tractors and combines used the 540, isn't yours a 540?
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I was thinking the tractors and combines used the 540, isn't yours a 540?
Nope. It's the baby. The 510
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Hi

This one belongs to a tractor collector in Tasmania.

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yes just about every major builder lusted for a V8 then. Massey took the Perkins route, White used the Cat 3208, they also used it in the Oliver line. IHC used various engines from the truck line, they also used a large cummings in their big articulateds. Steiger and Versatile used gas V8s for a while but soon switched to diesels from Cat and Cummings. We had some of those large V8 diesel ( 8 litre?) by IHC in the trucks at work. they were bulky, noisy and slow, but they were easy on fuel. One had the later 6.9 in it and seemed to have just as much power.
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