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Old 10-09-2017, 08:38:43 AM
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...The local propane mafia will use every trick in the book to overcharge you....If you are serious about using propane, owning your own tank is the way to go. As I said, an ASME TANK does not need periodic recertification, and you can switch suppliers with just a phone call.
The local propane mafia trick - The price of propane is a lot higher here than it is 50 miles in any direction- BUT if you lease your tank, you get a discount. Of course, other suppliers won't fill the leased tank. If you own your tank, you pay more than a couple of years lease in price gouging to get it filled.

The good thing is, around here we can get a 420 pound (about 95 gallon) cylinder delivered, if it can be set in a place with truck access. No lease on the cylinder, when it empties they bring another or just pick it up if no longer needed.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:13:50 AM
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My BIL has his generator on a 100 gallon tank, that he owns. He has had this set up since 1988 and seldom needs it filled, depending on storms. It was about 70% when hurricane Matthew came and he was soon sweating big drops about running out before power was restored. He had no trouble finding a local outfit to refill it later, and knowing him the price had to be reasonable. His gas consumption was ~ 0.63 gallons/hour. He is thinking about getting a 250 gallon tank. If he ever runs out he will never hear the end of it.
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Old 10-09-2017, 12:56:24 PM
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The people I grew up with either correctly or incorrectly identified thes as "pigs"
In the biz we called those "cannonballs" and they can be any size up to 250 gallons. (Have to stand on a step to reach the top of a 250 gal cannonball, it's big)

Typically they were 150 to 170 gallons and very old, usually late 1940s. I think they were repurposing steel WW2 buoy mfg facilities. After that they seemed to standardize on the familiar shape we know now.

I would not be afraid to use one if I could find one not badly rusted. But they are usually small.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:41:23 PM
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Didn't know Washngton allowed 100 GAL. tank to be transported by consumer for filling. Thought consumers were restricted to 100 LB. tank transport limit.
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HA! Yup, you are correct. 100 lb, not a 100 gallon tank. Legally, in Washington thats as big as you are allowed you carry around in your rig without a CDL, so thats what a lot of the locals do that I see at our local propane yard.

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A "tank" is ASME certified and has a plate welded to the surface detailing the tank properties. A "tank" is not subject to periodic inspection but the fuel supplier may refuse to fill it if he notices something wrong.
Thank you for the tip Kevin K, I did not know this. Is a tank/ASME certified supposed to be permanently installed in place and not transported with any propane in it?
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Old 10-10-2017, 12:50:48 AM
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Both >125 gal ASME tanks and 420 lb [propane capacity] DOT cylinders can be placed right against houses, with regulations.

Some manufacturers make them both ways and they look exactly the same as each other.

420 lb cylinders have a little bit less clearance requirements where they can be placed on the side of a house with relation to openings. But the downfall is they have to be recertified.

I know of no regulation that prohibits ASME tanks from being transported. They do have to be less than 125 gallons if you want to transport them with more than 5% in them. I have seen ASME tanks that looked like cylinders from ~120 gallons all the way down to 5 gallons.

I also know of no regulation in Washington or elsewhere which prohibits average Joe from transporting a 420 lb cylinder or four 100 lb cylinders. Some roofers like to carry a 420 lb in their truck, that way the propane truck can come to them and fill it while they are hot mopping away.

Above 1000 lb combined product and container is hazmat license territory.

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Here is what we refer to as a pig tank. Most of them have capacity of 100 gal on the tag, but that is an old convention where they stated it as net, water capacity ~120 gallons.

But I just happen to have one that is the same with about 15' of cylinder welded in between the two heads, makes it 500 gal net or 575 water capacity.

I collect old propane tanks like some of you guys collect old generators apparently, and I put them to work.

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Old 10-10-2017, 01:23:56 AM
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I've never seen a LP tank that looked quite like that one, but can easily understand how it got the nickname "pig".
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Most (all?) I have seen were made by Pacific Iron and Steel Co. out of Los Angeles so I suspect they would be more common on this side of the country.

There is some migration of propane tanks across the country but not a whole lot. There are some interesting regional differences.
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When we put in our propane tank, our local dealer had a very nice used tank they'd just moved back to their yard. They sold it to us cheap and delivered it to our site. The excavating contractor buried it and the gas company went back and did the hookup.

No fees and we could buy gas from anyone we wanted. (the original company ended-up being the one that always had the best price and I liked their driver).
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SO how do you re-fill a 420 ib propane tank ? Do you transport it yourself to a filling center or will a company (any company) send a truck out to fill it ?
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Here, they will fill it if the "bobtail" truck can get to it. If not (such as a tower site with limited access) they bring a full tank on back of a 1 ton truck fitted with a crane and swap them out.

I don't know what services your supplier(s) may offer.
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