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Hey everyone, I am interested in learning some about the old wind generators. Those like the Jacobs and Wincharger units. According to Wikipedia there was 20+ manufactures of wind generators in the past. What were the names of some of the other lesser known companies?

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I've found,

Winco Wincharger

Lejay

Parris-Dunn

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The only Lejay unit I'm aware of was a home built based on automotive generator and rewinding instructions published by Lejay. I think if you Google "lejay manual", the instructions can still be found. Try this, https://www.pssurvival.com/PS/Electr..._1945_1988.pdf
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I've always liked these too! They even made them for use with ~115 volt batteries.

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The only Lejay unit I'm aware of was a home built based on automotive generator and rewinding instructions published by Lejay. I think if you Google "lejay manual", the instructions can still be found. Try this, https://www.pssurvival.com/PS/Electr..._1945_1988.pdf
The old Lejay Manual. I've got the 45 edition somewhere round here. I will have to see if I can dig it up. I like having a paper copy to pour over and study.

I do wonder if there are any other articles on automotive generator conversions for wind generators? I've not had much luck turning up any such articles tonight. Those old Dynamo's are almost forgotten by most these days.

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Years ago I looked at a book called "The 12 Volt Doctor's Practical Handbook" by Edgar Beyn. It looked very interesting at the time but I've never seen it again to get my own copy. I believe he actually had several books on the subject. It wasn't exactly a how to book but gave a lot of details on alternators, regulators and wiring requirements.
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I have a wood prop from 1 of the radio battery chargers hanging in the shop. Most of them were 6 volt with a cut out I think
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Years ago I looked at a book called "The 12 Volt Doctor's Practical Handbook" by Edgar Beyn. It looked very interesting at the time but I've never seen it again to get my own copy. I believe he actually had several books on the subject. It wasn't exactly a how to book but gave a lot of details on alternators, regulators and wiring requirements.
Dusty, I had a partial copy of that book a while ago. Sometimes copies show up on Ebay or Abesbooks.

Many years ago I had gotten a copy of MTM Scientific's book on converting a car alternator for windmill use. http://www.mtmscientific.com/rewind.html

There is also a scant little information in "Alternator Secrets" by Lindsay Books.

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I had, and maybe still have a book on wind generators, brain is telling me title was "Wind and Wind Spinners", but I'm not finding anything on the net searching that name. There was lots of good info on the older wind generators in that book, including control circuit diagrams. All good info, but mostly obsolete by todays standards.

A name not mentioned is Bergey, and they are still making wind turbines today, sit down before looking at the price list
http://www.bergey.com/
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Obsolete... Yet perfectly serviceable too. I always point out that electricity hasn't changed, so older stuff still works exactly as it did when it was the latest and greatest!
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Obsolete because the field windings have been replaced by permanent magnets, the field consumed power, magnets do not. Also obsolete because they produced DC, by changing to AC wild it is easier to place tower in the ideal location vs next to the house.
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dalmatiangirl61, If you find the book please let us know the title? It's those kind of books I am interested in.

When I was teenager, I saved my dad's old book on wind generators. If he had kept it, I'm sure it what have ended up in the trash by now. This book is about 45 years old and really sparked my interest in wind generators of the past.

The title is WINDPOWER For Your Home by George Sullivan.

Edit, Seems there are some copies available. https://www.amazon.com/Wind-Power-Yo.../dp/034612316X

I found this Dynamo voltage regulator while digging around on Google. https://ludens.cl/Electron/dynareg/dynareg.htm

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I didn't mean to say that it wasn't possible that newer ones might not be better under certain circumstances. Only that older ones will work just as well now as they did then.
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Keith, I completely agree with everything you said. I am interested in the older ones after all! I've looked at several of the newer models commercially available. Some of them don't live up to the hype.

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Indeed I find there is generally no comparison in build quality between old stuff and new stuff. Pride in design and workmanship is very evident in stuff of old. Advancements in technology sometimes may, or may not, be able to compensate for that.

Generally speaking, if there is an old "equivalent", then I'm not really interested in the modern version. Of course there are exceptions. Like being able to sit back in my easy chair and "chat" with you guys on this little hand held gadget.

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I finally found the book on abebooks, not sure why it was not showing up with a title search, have not lost my marbles yet because I had the title right "Wind and Windspinners" by Michael Hackleman https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Boo...-srp1-_-title7

Sadly there is some outright fraud in the small scale wind turbine industry, and some perceived fraud because some people do not read the fine print. Produces 10,000 watts at 49mph

If it is a vertical turbine, and looks pretty, its almost certainly just yard art. Jonestown Tx installed some of these, I forget whole story, lets see if I can find some vids

The beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRu46KDm5NU

The end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx650JHyXzQ
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Thanks Dalmatiangirl.

On the subject of the Lejay Manual and Auto Power.

There was this interesting article from England on converting a car dynamo into a 220v generator. http://www.epanorama.net/schematicsf...0Generator.pdf If anyone has ever read Auto Power, they would recognize that an alternative method would be to bridge all the original segments together on the commutator and provide either a wiper or connection to the rotor shaft for the neutral connection.

Auto Power was reprinted by Lindsay publications. I miss Lindsay Books!

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Air Charger, Hebco. Delco are three more
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I had a chance to buy a Wincharger (Winco I think) years ago. Passed it up for some stupid reason and still regret it. Never came across another, and I collect generators.
So I made my own.
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I have an original Zenith Wincharger. Back in the 1930's if you didn't have electricity you could buy a radio that worked using a 6 V auto battery. You could then buy the Wincharger for $17.50. Put it on the roof of one of your out buildings to keep your battery charged. Ron
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