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Old 04-07-2018, 10:21:03 AM
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Hello everyone,

I recently purchased a ditch witch m442 which turns out has a Wisconsin AGND engine on it that dates to January 1972.

When I got it delivered it wouldn't fire so I did the obvious choice of clearing out the fuel lines, tank, carb and checking other things like spark plugs and oil (which I will change shortly).

Being new to these engines, I kept scratching my head trying to figure out if it was a 2stroke (with a big oil filled crankcase) or a more "traditional" 4stroke engine. The primary reason I'm asking is that the gas that I flushed looked like it had some oil in it and I was wondering if I had to mix some in when I get it up and running again.

The other question revolves around timing, it appears that someone else tried playing around with it and did not put it back in properly, causing exhaust fumes to exit out of the intake (too early timing). I have tried multiple variations and I'm getting closer to timing it properly but all I'm doing is guesswork and was hoping someone could guide me as to how properly doing it?
The service manual I found online didn't cover timing unfortunately only carb settings ):

Is there anything else I should check for?
I have experience with all sorts of small and big ;gas and diesels but this is my first cast iron air cooled toy that I'm hoping to get up and running soon.

My next step is to take the head off to try and time it at tdc but i would like to avoid that as much as possible for now (seeing how I might ruin the gasket taking it off).

Thank you so much,
Ian
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Old 04-07-2018, 11:38:13 AM
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Hello, Ian and welcome aboard.
It is a four stroke engine. You don't have to take off the head to time TDC.
There are timing marks on the flywheel (X on outer edge, between cooling fins) and on the cam and magnito gear that can be aligned up. You need to pull the plug that is behind the magnito(other side of case) to see the marks line up.
You may want to pull the carb to clean it out and make adjustments. At that time you could check valve lash, the valve cover is right there..
Some of the big boys will chime in here soon... Maybe I can figure out how to send the PDF file to you on that engine. But, the others can do it quicker. Catch you later.
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Old 04-07-2018, 12:37:45 PM
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Default Re: Wisconsin AGND Newbie

Thank you so much,

I got the timing done and it works flawlessly.
Going to go over the carb and valves next weekend but I let it warm up and run and it did not miss a beat.

Hopefully I'll get more old school engines soon since I know I'll be able to care for them and maybe use for a couple more years before they move down to someone. I already like them more than the small aluminium blocks on mowers that they have these days.

Thanks again,
Ian
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Old 04-08-2018, 01:40:07 PM
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Hello,
Good to hear you have it running.
Yes, these things are habit forming....
If, you haven't found the AGN manual yet, send me a private message with your email address and I will get a pdf file copy out too you.
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:42:38 PM
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Hello,
Ian, check your emails. Files were sent. Have fun.
Man, I wonder here all the others are???
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:07:46 PM
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Man, I wonder here all the others are???[/QUOTE]

You covered this so well, nobody else has to say anything
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Old 04-09-2018, 02:32:56 PM
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Ian, check your emails. Files were sent. Have fun.
Man, I wonder here all the others are???
I was wondering who the "Big Boys" are!
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Old 04-10-2018, 12:42:43 AM
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Hello,
Why, Mr, Frank Heins, Sir. Hello.
Why, that would be, You.... one of the Big Boys.
Along with Edward Moller., Chris: K-Tron, Zira and the "many" "many" others here.
"You all", were, so very helpful, with my quest for knowledge. And, you guys had it and were willing to pass that knowledge along.
Gentlemen, I thank you very much, for that pleasure and gratitude.
Ian,
Anything, that I may know about these engines(yet so little). Is because, of the guidance and direction, that these guys have giving.
Like, I mentioned in the PM. Read my past threads on these engines, the big boys will stand out.... the information "they have" can be over whelming, at times... But yet, even a newbie like me, can spread some of that pasted down knowledge.
Stick around, you should fit in just fine... You already have the bug...
Enjoy the ride.... The knowledge is free. But, the parts, do cost extra....

Oh, and Frank, Mr. Heins, Sir.
How are the fields doing? Ready for the next crop? Is all the machinery ready for the next dance? I hope all is well, Sir.
Take care my friend. You're a good man, Charlie Brown..
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Hello,
Ian, check your emails. Files were sent. Have fun.
Man, I wonder here all the others are???
Angus,
you wouldn't have a manual showing lining up timimg marks for magneto on a ANGD engine would you? Also how to adjust the timing with magneto? Magneto is off and need to reinstall after cleaning points I loaned the trencher out came back not running Fires good will only sputer everyonce in awhile even after priming carb Points looked nice so I just sanded them off Im suspecting the plug now. but it had nice blue spark changed fuel thinking it may have water in it but had noticied last time I ran it it was running bad sounded like an old john deere just die then hit miss couple revelutions then fire again now no start

thank you for help.
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Default Re: Wisconsin AGND Newbie

For what it is worth.
I also have a Ditch Witch M422 with a Wisconsin Model AGND - Not sure of the year of machine or engine. I have changed points in mag without removing mag from engine. Dont have to mess with timing engine again this way.
If I can help you any with your machine or engine. Let me know.
Have owned my M422 Ditch Witch since I was about 15 yrs old. I am 64 yrs old now. Have not always used the machine all of those years but have owned it.
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