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Old 10-11-2018, 03:55:07 AM
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Default Engine ID needed

Slightly unusual request for the truck forum, but I was hoping someone could help me ID the manufacturer of an engine that was used in an early British-built tractor, but which I understand was originally fitted to US-built trucks. (In case it helps, the gearbox was made by the Detroit Gear & Machine Co.)

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Old 10-12-2018, 05:33:10 AM
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Default Re: Engine ID needed

I can't tell you who made the engine, however, I recognise the tractor as a Weeks-Dungey.
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Old 10-13-2018, 01:16:49 PM
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Yes, it's the earliest style of Weeks-Dungey - the 'Simplex' model.
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Old 10-13-2018, 04:36:55 PM
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Default Re: Engine ID needed

The Weeks-Dungey Simplex is usually stated to have a Waukesha engine; I wouldn't know much about that make. However I have seen casting codes prefixed LM asssociated with Leyland Motors although I think Leyland engines of that era had paired cylinder blocks.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:17:54 PM
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It is the Weeks-Dungey 'New Simplex' that has the Waukesha engine.
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Old 10-16-2018, 04:05:53 PM
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Default Re: Engine ID needed

Did a google search for the W-D and found this:

About 1915 Weeks were asked by Mr. Dungey a local fruit and hop grower to build a tractor. The first Weeks-Dungey tractors were fitted with a four-cylinder engine at the front and a large cylindrical water tank (hopper) at the rear next to the driver's seat.

In about 1918 they built the Weeks-Dungey New Simplex model. This had a Waukesha Engines from Wisconsin and a 3 speed gear box from the Detroit Gear Engineering Co. of Michigan, imported from the USA. The exact number built is unknown, but some quote 220, with production ended in 1925.

Note it mentions the tractor model and the gearbox referenced above. Always do a google search.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:30:23 PM
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Default Re: Engine ID needed

I repeat, it is the Weeks-Dungey 'New Simplex' that has the Waukesha engine. This I know already. The one in the photos is the earlier 'Simplex' model, and that is the one I am looking for the engine ID for.
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Any ID on the mag (which looks distressingly new) or carb?? There are people here with old books on mag/dist/carb applications that might provide a clue...
Times like this I kick myself for not building a file of old engine pix...
OOPS---should've asked if any info on b/s...

---------- Post added at 12:50:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:12:44 PM ----------

Grasping at straws here...
Also forgot one site says only one W-K exists---another site relates inclusion in Paul Rackham collection auction, that inventory of tractors repaired/renovated by several named professional restorers for auction---
Believe same site listed museums that owned for awhile...I assume the museums have no additional info, but have the professional restorers mentioned been contacted to see if any engine research/guesswork done by them???

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It appears the records of W Weeks & Son Ltd of the Perseverance Iron works, Maidstone, 1895---, are in the possession of the Kent Pub Lib/Kent History and Library Centre...
Site has a "how to use this catalogue" (Weeks records) but all it does is freeze my set---anyone been thru these records, hoping to find the needle in the haystack??

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The mag looks like a Bosch D4 to me.
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Any progress on IDing that engine??
Was in The Commercial Motor (London-similar to The Comm'l veh and CCJ here), found the patent file and the original announcement but no engine mention...
Source here (hathitrust) omits 1917-19, so didn't find announcement of New Simplex (hoped it might say Wauk used instead of original _____)...
A bit disappointed no more guesses as to engine ID, but I should've amassed a file of engine pix myself...another 'why didn't I while I was at it'...
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Here is an engine which has similarities. Maybe there is a connection? https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...saxon.1023621/
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Bummer---found a site saying only one W-D exists, so didn't check Rackham sale inventory...Did today; they had a New Simplex...
The Comm'l Motor had 1914 list of US trucks imported into UK; noted most had Cont'ls, and also noted Cont'l was claiming their engines powered 80% of US trucks in operation...
Early Cont'l ads mentioned number of makes using Cont'ls, but don't recall any claiming any percentage of then operating trucks...
I've been assuming Weeks was W Weeks & Son Ltd, working out of the Perseverance Iron Works, and Dungey was Hugh percoval Dungey......
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