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McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee


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Default Re: McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee

I think that PTO on them is a 540 rpm splined end that simply is threaded onto the end under the cap. For some reason they don't turn up too often with it installed. We had a W30 with it on but the others aren't installed. F.J.W.
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My understanding is that the earlier tractors were threaded and the later (probably all 22-36 and maybe late 15-30) were splined. Haven't had the cover off of mine to look yet.
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I had a '27 15-30 that had one these PTO shafts installed. Other than the fact it was kind of a novelty to have one I found it a nuisance when operating the tractor on a threshing machine. The PTO turned whenever the belt pulley was operational. Its position was such as to cause a real injury risk as the potential to get your pants leg wound up in it was there while climbing on and off the tractor to start and stop the belt. I made a cover for mine for safety reasons. Also the very high PTO shaft mounting in relation to the drawbar height made it practically worthless for use on any modern PTO equipment.
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Good point Mark! Many years ago as a teenager I went to work after school at a local small farm run by a school teacher. The first day he came out of the house with a bundle of rags and droped them in front of me. It was the remains of a pair of overalls and every seam was ripped apart completely. He went on to say "I was wearing these overalls while driving the 10-20 McCormick while pulling the combine. I got the trouser cuff caught on the pto and it took them right off me, I felt it catch and I held on to the steering wheel tight!" He was using the tractor on a PTO driven AC combine. The then showed me his arm that had a scar the whole length of it, They had to put in 40 some stiches to pull it back closed. Now the event had happened some years past but he always used it as a safety lesson to all new helpers. It got my attention! One lesson that I've never forgotten to this day. F.J.W.
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No hurry on the pics, I'm still setting up shop in the house we bought last summer and the tractor is still on the way apart. It'll be a while before I can do much home machining.







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Thanks for the photos! If you ever take that apart, let me know. Looks like it would be pretty simple to fab up though.
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I had to get Bertha off the trailer and under cover. Wife and I have plans on expanding the shop. Until then, at least the 22-36 is under some covered storage and I can work on it out of the sun.

It was a handful to unload by myself. Like everything, take your time and use your resources. My Ford 4000 pulled the McD but not without grunting a few times in the process.









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My understanding is that the earlier tractors were threaded and the later (probably all 22-36 and maybe late 15-30) were splined. Haven't had the cover off of mine to look yet.
That is right, the 22-36's slide over a gear at the back of the transmission, the bearing and bracket at the rear hold in on. Iv'e put them on before, the front end is very heavy and it is a trick getting them in. I use a rod at the front through the filler hole to hold it up when installing. The rear of the shaft is threaded and the splines turn onto them. Some don't come off easily.
We have several 10-20's and 15-30's with pto also and they are threaded.
There is an aftermarket shield for them that you will see most on a w-30, or you can make them safe in other ways.
We have several of the pto extensions also that you see in the grain binder parts books, with long wide shields. I tried to run a binder with one of our 22-36's a while back, but the ground speed was too fast. We used a 10-20 and all was well.
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I knew it was going to be awhile before I have a chance to work on Bertha. But I did use a 12 ton bottle jack and raised each corner so I could put some boards under the steel wheels. Couldn't stand the thought of them sitting in the dirt and risk additional deterioration.

I tried to pull Bertha up on boards when I off-loaded her from the trailer. The Ford 4000 pulled her just fine but when it came to getting the steel wheels to roll onto the boards the Ford lacked the weight and just spun the tires.

I also found there's a large amount of slop/play in the steering at the tie-rod end areas. Not sure what's worn yet and what will need replacing to remedy the problem.

As always, photos are good







If you look close you'll notice the weight at the right front wheel split the board. Guess I didn't have the ground nice and flat under the board.


Besides worn cleats I notice a handful of odd size cleats bolted to each wheel
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Default Re: McCormick Deering 22-36 in Tennessee

On the worn tie rod ends, I would say the pins are worn and the hole in the end of the of the steering arm is worn eg-shaped. My 22-36 is the same way and the only fix is to remove the steering arms, bore the worn hole, install a repair bushing and make new pins. I have had to do this repair on both a WA40 and a 10-20.
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