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Old 11-10-2015, 10:55:44 PM
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I recently acquired a glass plate negative that shows what appears to be a 17-30 Hart-Parr tractor. Are there any surviving examples of this model Hart-Parr? Or would the 18-30 Hart Parr #3 be the closest surviving tractor as the 17-30 was basically a continuation of it? Are there records on how many 17-30s were built? Thanks for any information!



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Have no info on the tractor but sure enjoy seeing the pictures. Thanks!
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I would email Mary Ann Townsend from the Floyd county museum. She would be able to help you with any question that she is able to answer. They have all of the papers from the factory I pm the email to you
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Default Re: Hart-Parr 17-30 Tractor Photo

From what I've read the #3 is the oldest surviving HP period. The unit in your photo is one of 15 tractors built in that series. I think the #3 was the next model built. I've read where the #3 originally had that type radiator but was replaced by the builders in a field up grade when quite new. I think the main difference on the 18-30 is a heavier drive gearing so the unit could be used for heavier draw bar work. There is a tractor in northern IN. that is almost as old as the #3, it has been in the same family since new I think. I have a copy of the pictorial history book of HP and there is a very similar picture of that glass plate photo in it.
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Pertaining to the round radiator on that unit. Somewhere is in the archives at the Museum in Charles City there is a letter that the Hart Parr company sent out in 1905 to let the branch offices know that from then on the tractors would be coming out with the square radiators because of better cooling. All The previous tractors could be changed over if the owners wanted. So, old number 3 (17-30) would have originally had a round radiator on it until it was changed over after 1905.

I also see that your picture has the wider rear wheels on it. I have noticed that some pics from back then showed the 17-30's with wide and some with narrow wheels, like what is on #3.

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Also looks to be an airplane flying high overhead!
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Also looks to be an airplane flying high overhead!
I think that's damage to the plate.
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There is a tractor in northern IN. that is almost as old as the #3, it has been in the same family since new I think.
I think the tractor you're talking about is in this video.
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Yes that's the one, it is owned by the heirs of the late Fred Schneider of Weston IL. It is generally believed to be a 1904 or 05 model. As can be noted from the video of the Schneider tractor it has been modified a bit back in the day by the owner. The family legend goes that this tractor was the first to use water injection, the owners went to HP with their ideal and HP did some engineering and equipped it and all production units with the improvement. Also the #3 doesn't mean it was built in 03 but is one of the batch built as the third design built by HP. Those were the first ones built in volume. The #1 and #2 were single issue tractors of the highly experimental nature but were sold to customers as working units. There is a lot of printed info on the early history of Hart Parr but it is scattered about in many different sources, would be super if more of it was available in a more complete published volume.
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One thing we need a bit of clarification on, I believe the Tractor refered to as #3 is in reality a 17-30 from that batch of 15 built and the Schneider tractor is a 18-30, the next version built. Mr. Doug Strauswer has been a devoted follower of HP history, maybe he could fill in the gaps a bit for us? I know I've read those details but don't trust my memory to the complete story on them. The video of the Schneider tractor was taken at out local show at Pinckneyville IL a few years back when the ATA hosted the HP convention. The family graciously hauled it down here for that event, a considerable trip as the show grounds are at least 400 miles from their place. We were very thankful to see it in person.
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