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Twin City 20-35 "Canadian"


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Old 07-16-2016, 11:44:16 PM
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Magneto on mine were ZR4 American Bosch same as 1728 with anti clock rotation. And my 2 have different hotspot manifolds early and late. Both Wheeler Scheblers and if memory serves right the A is on the 1928 and the 26 is an A? If you ever wanted to road trip north you can take pics.
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Old 07-17-2016, 03:42:47 PM
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ajs2744TC....Thanks for the info. I had thought that perhaps the 27-44's were outfitted with the American Bosch ZR4 magnetos as that's what was on my 1926 17-28 also. Does anyone know if the ZR4 mag was retained until the end of production or was there another update after the merger?

According to the 1924 parts book the 20-35 was first outfitted with the America Bosch DU4 mag and then switched to the AT4 model. This tractor was equipped with the AT4 magneto. Phil already had this one rebuilt when I bought the tractor so that much is behind me. A nice job done by Adrian's Magneto Service.

Because of the extra gears in the cam drives the Twin Cams use a counterclockwise rotation on the magneto. Keep this in mind when looking for a replacement mag as the vast majority of the ones for sale are clockwise rotation units.
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Welcome to the Stak! You should be able to learn what you want to know here as there is some very knowledgeable Twin City fellas here.
We would be interested in the serial number on your tractor as well as pictures if you can figure out how to post them. I know it took me a while to learn.

I do not have a picture of John's tractor anymore, but if it helps the serial is 323 making it a 1927.
I helped him ID it years ago and have not heard from him in some time.
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Back to the trip....
We left John T's around noon. From there we visited the Jorstad Farm north of Tioga to pick up a couple parts for my Twin City 17-28 that Phil Johnson had sent down last year before I got involved with this 20-35 purchase. The Jorstads have a respectable collection of Allis-Chalmers tractors that goes from the Long fenders to the newer Two Twenty's. We didn't stay too long there as we wanted to be home before dark. Got on Hwy 2 by Tioga and then picked up Hwy 52 at Minot which took us home. Rolled in the yard at 8:00 PM Monday evening. It was a great trip and good to be back at home!

On the way back I had given some thought as how to simplify the unloading procedure. The pictures are pretty self explanatory. I was able to support the rear of the trailer with my old Michigan loader and instead of blocking the trailer I set it right on the ground. Everything went smoothly and it was a lot less jacking!
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I see I need to correct a mistake I made on post #40. Somehow I managed to get the 4 and the 6 switched around on the serial #. The correct number is 3604 not 3406. Sorry for the misinformation.

My original intentions after unloading were to leave the tractor sit until winter time. Well that plan lasted about a week. I decided to dig into it in case I ran into some major problems that would take a large block of time to sort out. I hit upon a plan to tear it apart outside and move the more delicate pieces inside. I figured the tractor carcass would be all right sitting outside for awhile.

So tear down is quite advanced at this point. I'll basically post the pictures chronologically and share my parts needs and/or ask advice when we get to the pieces that need to be repaired or replaced. So here we go...

A couple of interesting things I noticed on the walk around:

#1. The Serial Number tag.
#2. There is no engine number on the block. A good indication that this motor is not the original one. Do power units use this number?
#3. This number "2035" is written on the right side of the engine frame. The markings remind me of those typically used in a salvage yard. Maybe the front frame has been replaced also?
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The steering and front end parts on this tractor show plenty of hard use.
Nothing pristine here!

#1. Both the drag link and tie rod have a number of small kinks in them which show that they have been straightened numerous times.

#2. The somewhat abused "front reach" or better known as the wishbone. The parts book I have pictures the angle braces as round stock with flattened ends. I would like a couple of pictures of what this was supposed to look like before the "Canadian" modifications.

#3. Steering arm broke off a good relationship with left spindle but was later rejoined with lots of harmonious welding.

#4. The front axle yoke has been broken in half and the 2 large bolts that hold it to the bottom of the engine frame are bent. I am in the market for these parts. The yoke # is TY-9B which was also used on the later 12-20's and early 17-28's with the arched front axle. Used on the small twin cams #15242 to #24983.
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Mark, you just have to look at all those repairs as character, which I believe all tractors have. I like to leave some of this in my restorations because the tractor earned it in dutiful service. Jim
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Mark, There are some TC 17-28 parts in the classifieds at the moment that are not too far from you in Minnesota. Looks like the front yoke etc. are there.
I didn't notice those repairs on that tractor when I had it other than the well reinforced reach for the front axle.
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Mark, you just have to look at all those repairs as character, which I believe all tractors have. I like to leave some of this in my restorations because the tractor earned it in dutiful service. Jim
Jim...I'm no perfectionist. The less than perfect steering rods and repaired steering arm are good to go. However the axle yoke was originally designed to anchor the front axle of a 5000# tractor. On the 20-35 the same yoke is used on a 9500# tractor...marginal at best. If this one has been compromised I think it best to replace it if I can.

The front reach is bent and currently doesn't support the end thrust of the axle properly which is how the yoke bolts got bent. The right and left angle braces are built out of different sizes of stock. The overall appearance is pretty ragged so currently the plan is to fabricate a more original looking replacement once I have a better idea on how it was laid out.

Phil...Thanks for the parts lead. I'll check it out.
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The first thing I removed were the hood and fenders. I'm pretty sure the hood is original as it has the rolled and riveted edges but I'm not sure the if the rear fenders are. Tony Thompson's 1922 20-35 has a serial number that's close to this one and the beading on his original fenders is different. The sheet metal is in "well used" condition with the fenders looking like they were pushed on by a loader tractor at one time. I'm not a sheet metal man so there is no real plan in place as far as repair or replacement. It will be awhile until I need them.

I included a picture of Tony's tractor for comparison.
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