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Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.


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Old 12-18-2018, 07:31:54 PM
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Default Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.

I sort of changed topics in my previous dynamo thread and felt the burner merited it's own thread for better exposure.

I'd like to adapt my Jensen 75 steam engine to portable gas can type of burner.
Since my fuel tray is about 4" long, a 100mm burner should fit with minimum modification.
Suggestions?

Mike
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Old 12-19-2018, 08:06:32 AM
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Default Re: Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.

Has anyone tried these burners found on Ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/str/Green-Engin...p2047675.l2563

The burners are aluminum (like my stove) and look like they will fit my engine without modification.

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Looks like they should work. You will, of course, have to be sure you don't run the boiler dry. It won't take long to melt out the solder on the boiler ends if the shell gets too hot! You will have to monitor your run time carefully. If you could rig up some kind of feed water pump and supply, you can increase run time.
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Maybe I can talk my machinist brother into making a feed pump...
Spent too many years operating boilers - liked the work but hated the hours
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Default Re: Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.

Dropped the dime and bought a 100mm burner assembly from Serbia.
I'll give it a review it here after I've used it some.

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Has anyone tried these burners found on Ebay?

https://www.ebay.com/str/Green-Engin...p2047675.l2563

The burners are aluminum (like my stove) and look like they will fit my engine without modification.

Mike
Finally received the "green Engine" butane burner I found on FleaBay and sadly, it's a thumbs down.

To be fair, the burner pretty much works as advertised, however, their scheme of using a variable depth depressor on the gas tank valve as a pressure regulator sucks. Very difficult to adjust.

Also, the burner is too small, output wise, to do the job for my purposes.

Once again, it's a get what you pay for world.

Mike
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Default Re: Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.

Sorry to hear that, had some hope they might be a success.

With the above in mind, i would recommend checking out the BIX burner setups from Forest Classics in the U.K.

They work well, at least to my own experience, i have 2 of them here.

https://www.forest-classics.co.uk/ceramic-burners/
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Sorry to hear that, had some hope they might be a success.

With the above in mind, i would recommend checking out the BIX burner setups from Forest Classics in the U.K.

They work well, at least to my own experience, i have 2 of them here.

https://www.forest-classics.co.uk/ceramic-burners/
After making some observations I decided to try a simple modification to improve safety and control by installing a snubber between the gas valve and the hose. It consisted of tearing the valve down and soldering over the end of the copper pipe the hose goes over. Then I drilled a .025" hole through the solder to create a mechanical resistor.
The increase in control allowed me to tweak the fuel/air to it's optimum and operate it at a much higher output than pre mod.
I still crave more power, but bought some time to shop around.
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With the above in mind, i would recommend checking out the BIX burner setups from Forest Classics in the U.K.

They work well, at least to my own experience, i have 2 of them here.

https://www.forest-classics.co.uk/ceramic-burners/
Thanks for the link. Noticed the prices across the pond including shipping were way less than a unnamed US supplier.
Do you use disposable or portable gas tank(s)?

Mike
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Default Re: Looking for toy steam engine gas burner advice.

I only use the original portable/refillable BIX gastanks...

But to be honest, with Jensen being very close to sole interest in steam, i use mine quite rarely, since most is electric.

Wouldn´t be without them though, and most likely would ad an adapter for disposable gastanks, if they we´re used just a bit more frequently than they do at the moment.

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I only use the original portable/refillable BIX gastanks...

But to be honest, with Jensen being very close to sole interest in toy steam, i use mine quite rarely, since most of those here is electric.

Wouldn´t be without them though, and most likely would ad an adapter for disposable gastanks, if they we´re used just a bit more frequently than they do at the moment.
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Thanks for the link. Noticed the prices across the pond including shipping were way less than a unnamed US supplier.

Mike
I recently received a 120mm BIX burner from England.
Very nice piece of hardware.

My question is how far below the boiler bottom should the top of the burner sit?
Using the stock fuel tray on my Jensen 75 puts the burner about 1/2" below the boiler.
My gut tells me this is too close, but before I go through the trouble of tearing the boiler apart and reworking the fuel tray holder, I thought I'd ask.
I've fired the boiler this way, but I don't think I'm getting as much power as I should.

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