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1948 IHC KB1 214 grd


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Old 10-19-2014, 07:29:18 PM
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Default 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

While reconnecting the oil filter on my grd 214, i see there is a return fitting just above the oil pan. About two inches above that there is another fitting of the same size. From the diagrams i have i see the line from the oil pump goes to the bottom of the filter canister. The return line comes out of the upper side of the filter canister and goes to the fitting just above the oil pan. I am wondering what the fitting above it is for. Any ides?
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

Is it a pressure line or a return port into the crankcase? These motors were used in applications other than just the pick up trucks.
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

The Green Diamond uses a bypass oil filter system. That means the oil goes from the pump right to the main bearings and cam bearings. A small amount is diverted to the oil filter and then goes right back to the pan.
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

There is a line that runs from what i think is the oil pump outlet thar goes around the back of the engine. The diagrams i have show it going to the bottom of the oil filter. They also show the return line coming from the side of the filter to the lower part of the block. I need to know which of the two fittings i should hook the return line to. And also what the other fitting for. It must go somewhere but it doesn't show in the manual. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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The lower fittings are about 2 or 3 inches apart vertically to the right of the oil filler tube. The lower one is just above the oil pan.

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Not sure. Both fittings appear to look alike. One is just above the oil pan. The other is about 3 inches above it. I think the return line from the oil filter should go to the lower fitting above the pan. But what is the upper one for???
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

On my KB5 with the Green Diamond 233 engine, (same thing). The lower fitting at the pan goes to the top side of the filter. The fitting 3 inches or so above the first goes to the bottom of the filter.
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The lower fittings are about 2 or 3 inches apart vertically to the right of the oil filler tube. The lower one is just above the oil pan.
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

Missed the part about the oil line running around the engine in your post.
My 233 does not have that line. I do have a 214 engine as well as a couple of more 233's in the barn. The 214 which I believe was out of a K series truck does have the oil line but it does not have the second fitting above the other, there is what looks to be a flat spot in the casting but it was never machined. The oil line runs from a port just behind the oil pump on the right side of the engine around the back and to the bottom of the oil filter. All 3 of my 233's that I checked have the port on the right side of the engine where the oil line originates plugged.

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Thought about another truck I have that has a 214 in it. It is a KB.
It has the 2 fitting on the left side of the engine and no line running around it. Wonder if someone had a live pressure oil gauge on the truck at one time? Maybe didn't trust the stock electric one and ran a line around. Does the line look like it would hook up the bottom of the oil filter with the correct bends and fittings? The oil pressure sending unit is on the rt side just above the oil pan almost to the very back edge of the engine. I think in running trucks, or could be made or have had running trucks, parts trucks and loose parts engines I have 9 of these engines around.
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Can you post any pictures?
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:33:43 PM
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

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In the private messages you sent me you mentioned that maybe your dad hooked it up this way 20 years ago. Has the truck run in this time or are you finishing a project your dad started? I know my kids will have lots of unfinished project from me.
IH made a lot of running changes to this engine from the time it was introduces in the early 30's as an HD series, It is a Willies design originally. A lot of the changes were made as old parts ran out then put the new designs on. Maybe at one time an engine swap was preformed and they had the line that fed around the engine and installed it thinking it was needed. The filter was an option, one of my parts trucks doesn't have one and all of the above mentioned fittings and holes are plugged.
If it was mine I would plug off the line feed on the rt side of the engine and use the above mentioned ports on the left side.
I can get some picts of mine I think, it is really tight down in there beside the filter but it won't happen till mid next week. I'm heading to Milwaukee tomorrow. Grandson turns 2 on Saturday.
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Default Re: 1948 IHC KB1 214 grd

Thanks for the info David. I have looked at several 214,s in the last few days. They are all differant. I am waiting to here from an ihc expert in Lethbrige Alberta. He has several restored kb trucks. I am hopefull he will have an answer. If you want to see a nice collection of ih trucks, visit his website. Old international trucks.ca. Go to the gallery. An amazing collection.
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