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Old 12-18-2018, 07:46:36 PM
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Default Early Wolseley Engine

Saw this little Wolseley the other day and as the price was reasonable decided to take it home, seen a few of the early style horizontal flyball governor hit and miss Wolseley's but can't recollect seeing this type over the years, that said my knowledge of Wolseley's is a bit limited!, any knowledge when this style with the vertical governor was made and in what sizes?
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I'm pretty sure these are known as Style 3 or S type. Made between 1920 and 1925. Before that they were a flick magneto and different induction and after that they had internal governor.
They came in 3 1/2, 4 and 5 1/2hp. I reckon this engine may have been towards the 1925 mark as that magneto became in wide use on the Style 4 (or R type). What's the number?
There's a number of these in QLD, not sure of the other states. Merv and the mob from the East island may be able to indicate if many exist over there.

These style 1-4 Wolseleys run very nicely.
Cheers Scott

At about 1:10 is one of our Style 4's running. It's a pity it's so windy. These Wolseleys sound nice.

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Default Re: Early Wolseley Engine

Very nice...and a style 3 on what looks like an original trolley. Would love to see a video of it running.
I have a style 4 or R type with the internal governor which was very seized when I got it and is now waiting to be put back together. These pre war Wolseleys are very rare here in the UK and much of the production seems to have been shipped to Australia and New Zealand. Unfortunately there are no factory records for them.
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After a quick look at the David W Edgington Wolseley book it appears? that it is a T type that first appeared around 1916-17?, a thorough look over the engine revealed this number on the face of a flywheel, so probably a T type?
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It's pretty easy to mistake this T type engine for an S type. This engine has an S type horizontal air pipe. The T type air pipes were vertical weren't they?
As I said in my previous post, the induction system was an indicator of which model of engine this engine probably was and that is why I asked what number is it.

It's a shame it's not all original. It would have made a nice rally engine.
It wouldn't have made any difference to me and a lot of other people but some people demand originality and, sadly, this engine aint with the apparently wrong induction and magneto.

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Certainly looks a very similar engine and much like this one in NZ and fits the description of the book?, that said the description varys depending on what book or reference you look at or read?


https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32403

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Out of the above link:
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Originally Posted by Evan Hale OConnor View Post
If this was a style 3 it would have 3 holes in the flywheels. 1920 was when the style 3 came out, and they look just like these (style 2 or type T with solid flywheels) but with lighter flywheels.
The engine in question has holes in the fywheels doesn't it?
The serial number also has questions to be asked.
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The engine in question has holes in the fywheels doesn't it?
The serial number also has questions to be asked.
You could ask on the TOMM forum?, or perhaps ask Al Grassby?
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You could ask on the TOMM forum?, or perhaps ask Al Grassby?
Why? I can see the engine in question has 3 holes in each flywheel. And why ask on TOMM when you put this engine on Smokstak? Sounds a tad silly to ask on TOMM about an engine on Smokstak if you ask me.
Al Grasby is dead if you haven't heard. It makes it a bit hard to ask.
According to the link you provided, this engine is a style 3 as it has 3 holes in the flywheels.

All aside: this is a nice engine most people (including me) would be proud to have it in their collection even with the conflicting aspects of it. Only those who demand originality would see issues. I personally don't have issues with the discrepancies and simply see it as a nice old Wolseley.
I mean.....there are people who demand only engines made before 1931 and be totally period correct to be able to be shown at a vintage engine rally. Those people would question this engine. The rest wouldn't.

Cheers Scott
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Default Re: Early Wolseley Engine

We had a number of these in the family collection, 5 maybe 6 of them.... I distinctly remember 2 of them had a vertical flyable governor with a B&B carbie. The others had the horizontal flyable governor, exposed. I could probably still find a couple lying in the grass.

My point is this style 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 - why are there pre-style 1 engines?
So it is quite possible that not all modifications/changes happened at once.

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