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Old 05-26-2018, 02:35:48 AM
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Sorry Paul, i didnt get the bed height.
Ground to crankshaft centre. 30"
Length of bed . 42"
Width of bed. 16 1/2"
Flywheel dia . 44 1/4"
Flywheel centre to hand crank. 12 3/4"
Crankshaft stroke . 5"
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Old 05-26-2018, 10:33:29 AM
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Thanks Darryl,it appears that the dimensions of my wheel are a match for the one at Rochester.I will be able to put it on my own horizontal unit ,..when it shows up!
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Old 06-11-2018, 05:42:24 AM
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Today's Danks treasure uncovered.I went out to buy some old steel wheels from a local rural property and came home with a few other odds and ends.Among them was this oil enclosed dual geared Billabong engine.I don't know how long it will take but now I'm on the hunt for a suitable four spoke wheel.
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Old 06-11-2018, 05:47:49 AM
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The iconic Danks/Billabong tail came home as well,pictured here with a Fuller 7' wheel from a direct acting model made in Terang (Vic) around 1920.The makers name (DANKS) is barely visible in the tail art.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:15:56 AM
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I went to the Jeparit rally on the weekend, and there were two J.Danks pumps there. I could post photos, if that's of interest?
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:53:59 AM
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I would be very happy to see them thanks Craig.There is a lot of rare machinery tucked away in the old museum there.I paid a couple of visits there a while ago now measuring and copying features of the old Hornsby with it's own roof,just inside the main gate.
I Started this thread partly in a bid to properly identify my wheel,..what machine or range of machines it might have belonged to etc.
I have been very happy to see other items posted here by the same maker.
Since bringing my windmill parts home I have been searching old advertising etc trying to identify it's correct model/era etc.
It's inspiring to see some regard for the brand displayed here in the Stak from other collectors.Quality appears to have been one of the company's selling points?My Billabong windmill head is my first 'close up' opportunity to compare the engineering and workmanship between the Billabong and the market competitors that I am already familiar with.As far as I can see the workmanship is very good quality.A lot of innovative thought has been put into the design.The maker doesn't appear to have skimped in any way?
I do think this thread is the place for 'anything Danks'!
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Old 06-12-2018, 08:25:21 PM
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Searching old newspaper advertising has turned up quite a bit of repeat information.I have found a few images that resemble the style of my relic.Anything resembling say 6' in wheel size and four spoke appears scarcer in use in the adverts?I did find a few featuring the Danks Coo-ee.One or two xamples of this model are still in use locally.The Coo-ee is thought to have been pretty much a direct copy of the Aermotor 602?
From my searching I think the tin lid style of double geared oilbath Billabong is beginning to make it's appearance at the close of the 1920s/early 1930s?
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Seeing the Billabong windmill headed reminded me of one I was unfortunately loosing bidder on at a clearing sale in Merino, Vic. It a big lump of cast iron. didn't know much about it or release there was a danks connection.
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Thanks Nathan,that one is the earlier double geared oilbath model.The overhang at the top of the main casting is where it houses a beam arrangement.I'm not sure about the start date for that model but I would take a guess at early 1900s to around 1930 from the advertising I looked at?A mate of mine has this same model head,also purchased at a clearing sale.I see the one in your pics is also a four spoke.These windmills as well as the earlier open geared and later like mine all have a hub brake that is operated by the reefing mechanism.I think the Coo-ee might also have a brake but I don't know enough about its 'alter' the Aermotor 602 if it was built with a hub brake as well?The brake on mine is just a simple cast iron shoe that matches the outer face of the inside hub flange.
In the advertising Danks make the interesting claim that the mill will shut itself off in a big wind as per design to avoid wind damage.
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We have a working Coo-ee windmill as installed back in the 30's at Fagan Park, Galston. I obtained a lot of information and articles on it from the Morawa Windmill Museum, WA, who run a windmill newsletter.
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I would be very happy to see them thanks Craig.There is a lot of rare machinery tucked away in the old museum there.I paid a couple of visits there a while ago now measuring and copying features of the old Hornsby with it's own roof,just inside the main gate.
These are the two that are at the museum. They both seemed to be the same size. I've seen the one at Rochester a couple of times, and that one looks the same size as these two. One was working and connected to a water supply, and anyone could try it out, spraying out a jet of water.
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Also, we pulled up in the main street in front of the tourist info/council chambers, and there was a flywheel and crankshaft out the front.
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:17:28 AM
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Thanks Craig,that certainly nudged the thread squarely back onto the topic.
Market penetration appears to have been very good in the area for those pumps!?
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Some more on your windmill Paul. I think this is the model you have. There is quite a lot to be found on Trove about Danks. I am sure I once found an illustration of their chain water lifter driven by one of those flywheels.
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Posted this as PDF so now as JPEG. Hope it works this time.
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Market penetration appears to have been very good in the area for those pumps!?
I was just thinking about that. Up this way I have never seen pumps like that. Maybe the lack of rivers is the reason why?

I like the idea of a working pump for people to try. It's hard to appreciate just what people had to do until you try it. The local museum has a few demonstrations like that. People think it's good to work the old gear for a minute or so. The look changes when they're told people did this for hours/days/weeks on end.
Over here there are permanent water restriction and I think it's about 150l per person per day during extreme water restrictions. I suggested the museum works out how many litres per minute their hand pump can pump and get people to pump enough water to get to their household daily allowance. It's now a matter of just getting the sign. They think it may be an eye opener for many.

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Old 06-16-2018, 09:12:27 PM
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There is quite a lot to be found on Trove about Danks. I am sure I once found an illustration of their chain water lifter driven by one of those flywheels.
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Thanks Hugh,the detail on your pdf chart identifies the model as "1932 pattern",which has helped my searching and is how I can now refer to my find.The 6 spoke larger unit has a few extra/different components listed,but the general design is spot on.
I see the chain water lifter featured a lot in the very early advertising and it has prompted a memory of a mate of mine in Warrnambool showing me a spoked wheel with a cupped rim.It was a lot of years ago now but I remember him explaining what he thought the wheel was once used for and a vague description of how it was designed to work.He only had a single 'chain' wheel,nothing else.He may still have it?
Speaking of interesting items in sheds in Warrnambool Hugh,i visited a well known enthusiast here the other day to collect an item he promised me.While I was there we spent just a little bit of time looking over what might have been around an 11? hp portable Austral with a tall chimney and a low 3 digit serial number.We talked for awhile about it and you may probably guess by now who's name came up when I asked the owner where he came by the engine.The item I was picking up was a very early Alston wheel,6' with an 8 spoke cast hub,possibly manufactured @1900?While away in another shed collecting it I noticed yet another very tall Austral portable chimney.The visit took up a bit more time than planned.
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Paul if that engine is the one that sat in my yard for some years, I had lost track of it, so long ago now. Photo of the Alston wheel would be good. Two pictures of a Danks Coo-ee from up Yarrawonga way.
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Old 06-18-2018, 11:51:25 PM
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The owner of the Austral and I were at a clearing sale a few weeks back.I spotted a Bryan Bros pig trough with cast ends in fairly rough shape.I have seen them in 90yo advertising material but surprisingly enough,for someone in 'Bryan' country,I had not previously seen the real thing.I thought I might put a sneaky bid or two in and for $20-30 take it home.The chap who owns your old engine chased it to somewhere around $190.
That might have been just a few more dollars than he told me he paid you for the Austral?As you pointed out it was a long time ago that it changed hands.
I did ask him would he like to now double his money on the Austral,and of course he saw the joke.He recounted the story of the ex town councillor from years ago here who had a number of oil engines in his shed.He had tried to buy one which was a Coulson 'Simplex' identical in size to the one on display often at LGS.
He returned to the owner on another occasion to learn that the scrappies had visited to break one up for scrap.The more common engines were all still in place and a space was vacant where he last saw the Coulson.
Here is the wheel Hugh,it's pretty rough but suits my taste in collectibles.Make and era are both guesses on my part.Im thinking it's Alston being similar to some I have seen predating the model 32?It might be wishful thinking to suggest 1900 as a manufacture date,but it might be close?I think 1920 or earlier might be a conservative estimate?
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A pic of the rear view.It appeals to me as being a very simple modular design,like all good windmill engineering?
It's rough but repairable,easy design to copy etc.I have seen a wheel like this on an Alston of the kind with the pressed metal engine frame and having a planetary gear arrangement,but the outer sail stays were galvanised rod instead of strap.
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