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ROLL UP ROLL UP Greasy John is rallying the lads


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Old 04-13-2019, 09:28:07 PM
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Love the Avance - fresh out of the paint shop. Rarely seen at rallies.
Probably my pick of the show, just a gorgeous machine with a really interesting design.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:32:09 PM
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Good to see another AVANCE restored up and running and out at shows. Australia received more Avance tractors than anywhere else in the world. I know of several museums that have them but not in running condition. there is perhaps half a dozen in eastern Australia that actually run with very few of them restored to original condition. There may be as few as 6 in all of Europe , one in Canada and one in USA with 3or 4 in South Africa. and the remains of at least 30 in Australia.
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restored to original condition.
I will point out something restored certainly is not 'original condition'.
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:20:07 PM
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It is if you're not a facetious bugger who expects time travel to be used to bring back a showrooom floor machine directly from 1927
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:24:40 PM
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It is if you're not a facetious bugger who expects time travel to be used to bring back a showrooom floor machine directly from 1927
Very well said.
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Restoration! What is restoration! To my mind and recent practice, it is only making or repairing those parts which prevent it working in the way intended. Whilst I have been guilty of painting in the past, I have changed my attitude and use only a preservative that emphasises the patina of age (my TEA20 excepted). Ian
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Yes well Typak has raised an interesting subject . " Original Condition'' ,a term often used in a cavalier manner . ''Restore'' ,to refurbish into a condition that enables the machine to be demonstrated but it may not be in original condition. To conform to the latter then one would not have included present day materials, epoxy paint or UNC fastners for example, if these had not been in the original . There is no way I would lay claim to the restoration of my Uncle Herbs 1949 LE Vellocete motor cycle to it being in original condition.
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I will point out something restored certainly is not 'original condition'.
Clearly the person responsible for this half rate restoration is a hack as he has not even bothered to source the engine oil that went in to the tractor at the factory. really how hard can it be to find the oil that was pumped out the exhaust and put it back in clearly the standards are falling in vintage tractor restoration and conservation.
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Yes well Typak has raised an interesting subject . " Original Condition'' ,a term often used in a cavalier manner . ''Restore'' ,to refurbish into a condition that enables the machine to be demonstrated but it may not be in original condition. To conform to the latter then one would not have included present day materials, epoxy paint or UNC fastners for example, if these had not been in the original . There is no way I would lay claim to the restoration of my Uncle Herbs 1949 LE Vellocete motor cycle to it being in original condition.
Really depends on what the speaker intends by "restore". If you make it look like showroom floor then you've restored it to what it'd look like brand new. Restored meaning to change something to be like a previous state. If you've kept it how you bought it after a working life rust and all then I'd say "preserved" is the word you're looking for.
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Yes well Uncle Herb reclaimed his oil using a filtering system comprising of womans silk stockings. Very effective indeed .
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And people often ask me why I don't comment on postings more often.........Rest my case
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Norm if you think this light discussion of personal views on machinery here is unpalatable at all I think you should stop using the internet in general! There's much worse, foaming-at-the-mouth clashes of opinion to be found almost anywhere, and over even more trivial subjects! Points to typak for managing to kick it off whilst avoiding the subject of the thread entirely.

I had never even heard of an Avance, it was a staggeringly good looking restoration job. The owner was very proud and protective of it, as is well understandable! I had the pleasure of helping him push-bar it off his truck and into position!
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Yes well done Rusty Numbat it appeared to be a very nice exhibit. Did you not see the large Ruston truck mounted exhibit?If so I would appreciate your comments . I will be hoping to take a somewhat smaller engine to the Quarading show if EN27 can provide details etc .
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Yes well done Rusty Numbat it appeared to be a very nice exhibit. Did you not see the large Ruston truck mounted exhibit?If so I would appreciate your comments . I will be hoping to take a somewhat smaller engine to the Quarading show if EN27 can provide details etc .
Didn't see it at all


I've got a little footage of it to put into the LOTH when I get around to making it. I was quite impressed with the steady tempo it was able to achieve, dad and I thought about fetching our guitars to play along side it but got a bit too self conscious about it. I liked the modern engine used to start it, how was it originally spun up by hand?
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And people often ask me why I don't comment on postings more often.........Rest my case

Hi Norm,

What you have to realise is that more than a few of the people posting here are using this as a platform to peddle their own wears.

Quite often to tell people how rare something is when it is not, only to post it at a later date on a local auction site, or gain attention from prospective buyers.

So if they are not promoting their own wears they just get bored.

Not necessarily referring to any poster on this thread.

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Yes well done Rusty Numbat it appeared to be a very nice exhibit. Did you not see the large Ruston truck mounted exhibit?If so I would appreciate your comments . I will be hoping to take a somewhat smaller engine to the Quarading show if EN27 can provide details etc .
When dates etc are set in stone Iíll let you know Peter.

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I will point out something restored certainly is not 'original condition'.
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Are your other hobbies picking flyshit out of pepper?
hahahahahahahahahahaha anyways i was being sarcastic im British we do that . Original condition to me is 2 things an original restoration to factory standard ala as the Advance is, The restorer who i have a great deal of respect for has restored the tractor to how it would have come out of the factory using hand made parts to original spec pretty damn original if you ask me A well known southwest IH enthusiast restored a type D titan had a cooling screen made in the US for it and found the rivets were in the wrong spot no one would have known except him but it was not good enough he made his own off the blueprints. secondly original is as found made to run my Wallis E27Ns WK40 or any of those other dragged out the hedge look tractors dents and all. A restoration is when parts are sourced from Bareco off the shelf they are not right but close enough to do or a alternator fitted instead of a dynamo because it is easier/available/more reliable. lot of post 40s gear is restored because aftermarket parts are available so life is made easier. I ask you all the question my Wallis has had a later model steering box fitted at some point during it working life (this seems to be common) is it no longer in original condition because that part is wrong ive not fitted it my self but if i was to find a proper over the axle steering box does that mean the tractor is no longer original as in original working condition or is it more original as in rolled out of the Racine factory original?
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Didn't see it at all


I've got a little footage of it to put into the LOTH when I get around to making it. I was quite impressed with the steady tempo it was able to achieve, dad and I thought about fetching our guitars to play along side it but got a bit too self conscious about it. I liked the modern engine used to start it, how was it originally spun up by hand?
Yes well Rusty Numbat , the engine ,a Ruston 3HR would have been started by air.............it would be nice to restore the engine to air start,but there are of course requirements for a certified air receiver.
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