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Old 12-20-2018, 07:47:10 AM
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Hi typak
Malcom in your club will know for sure , he the expert on all wolseleys,
Check out the date of the maggy it may help with engine period
The photo I sent you with the same governor system and fuel system was dated 1925
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Typak, your engine is consistent with the S type style three and that is what I would call it, I think it is all original. However while I have the greatest respect for David Edgington's research there are variations to what he has published. I have experience of this in my own observations and research. So you have to take these old engines as they are. Sometimes there are crossover engines with both old and new model parts, and of course they are correct.

The number on the flywheel face has too many digits to be of any value unless it can be compared with other engines. Edgington states in his book that each model started each model at 1000. This is true for the "pre WD" but doesn't appear to be the case with the early engines, but they do appear to have their own series of numbers for each model.

I have a "pre WD" conveniently dated behind the Magneto at 1931.

Wayne, when David started researching Wolseley's he didn't know about the "pre style one" and his started his designation as style one in his first book.

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So it is quite possible that not all modifications/changes happened at once.

Wayne
Absolutely. With the holey flywheels, horizontal air pipe, vertical flyball governor, 2 piece body casting, magneto type is why I thought it to be an Type S but S-R crossover and put it roughly 1925.
Or the vertical induction may have just broke off and it was replaced with the sturdier horizontal air pipe. Been a portable this is quite possible. The vertical air pipe would be very fragile I'd imagine.

The numbers on the flywheel needs to be researched. I'm away from home so can't look in my books about it.
Someone told me that there was also a brass horizontal air pipe. Anyone else have any knowledge of them?

Cheers Scott
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Old 12-21-2018, 10:16:49 AM
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Hi typak
Malcom in your club will know for sure , he the expert on all wolseleys,
Check out the date of the maggy it may help with engine period
The photo I sent you with the same governor system and fuel system was dated 1925
Regards sunshineman
Thanks Sunshineman, I have been meaning to ask Malcolm at the next opportunity, as for the Magneto that is fitted at present? it's a Bosch ZE1 serial number 2577405? anyhow it is curious the conjecture regarding the styles and type and date of manufacture? the history of the engine is reasonably clear as it has been through the hands of some of the prominent Sydney collectors and the engine is said to be original but not the cart and tanks, no doubt there would have also been differences in engines of different horse power? as for all the speculation perhaps Scott is thinking of a Wheeler & Woolsey engine? whatever the case it certainly makes a fine garden ornament!
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perhaps Scott is thinking of a Wheeler & Woolsey engine?
What is a Wheeler and Woolsey engine? Never heard of them.
Cheers Scott
PS: better find an original muffler seeing you demand originality. Practice what you preach and all that.
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Well Scott some excerpts to ponder? obviously the evolution of these engines is little more complex than strict styles or types? and the Kerosene engines were a later innovation?
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Well Scott some excerpts to ponder?
What's to ponder about on those ads? If you have shown me the second engine in those ads I would have said S type. The first is hard to tell what's what in that picture but by reading the accompanying words I would say it's an R Type just like ours.

I might be beneficial to the dopes like me who have no idea what point your trying to get across or what your trying to ponder. Just spit it out.

Cheers Scott
PS: What is a Wheeler and Woolsey engine?
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I knew it couldn't last !!!!
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That is a nice looking engine Typak. A good pickup.
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Hello all
I am only doing this for the sake of the engines because, quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the rubbish Typak continually tries to throw at me. I started out in this thread by giving information he asked for. And for thst all I got in return were attempts at put downs and slurs, so I'll try again.
The number on the flywheel is not the serial number. There maybe a raised pad just below and to the left of the magneto. The serial number may be here. If you also look at the mounting flange at thw bottom of the cylinder there may be a date. Look and see what's in these 2 places. With these numbers more information may be gathered.

I just got home and had I look at one of our engines and its amasing how things come back. On the back of the cylinder near where the bottom cooling pipe gets screwed into the cylinder may be another raised dimple with the serial number stamped in. So look at those 3 spots for numbers.

Cheers Scott

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