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Old 06-10-2012, 10:58:10 AM
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Does anyone know of a source of "Russian Iron" sheet steel? It was used for cylinder jackets on stationary engines and on boiler jackets on locomotives. It had a shiny bluish grey color and was rust resistsant.
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Bill I do unfortunately do not know any sources, but know what you mean. Here is two views of the cladding sheets on a Locomotive kept nearby. These steel plates were imported during the 1950th maybe and I am sure it is what you after. Sorry I cannot help any further.

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Old 06-10-2012, 06:27:26 PM
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The sheet steel you mentioned, siezed production back in the 60's. I too would like some for cyclinder lagging.
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I know about a half dozen others besides myself that would also like to find a source. Does anybody know what the actual process was on the later product? I've heard tales of stacks of iron sheet with charcoal powder sprinkled between the layers and brought to red heat, but I can't imagine that being the method employed in the fifties. - Jim Mackessy
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Tore, That's what I am looking for.

---------- Post added at 09:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:59 PM ----------

Jim,
I read about the method you describe but that was from the late 1890's. I would think there was a easier way to make it but I haven't found any other information.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:27:20 PM
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We use steam blue oxide coating on magnetic steel laminations to increase the inter-laminar resistance and therefore to reduce eddy current losses. You could look up the processing methods for electromagnetic lamination steel. This is usually done along with annealing after the laminations are punched from the roll of steel. The annealing reduces hysteresis losses. Low cost equipment use steel with less or no processing. The other extreme is processed 47% cobalt steel which carries more magnetic flux and so less is required for weight savings in aerospace, but it is very expensive.
You could have cold or hot rolled steel treated if you can find a supplier to do it. Talk to a steel company about getting this or to find a facility to process it.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:52:37 PM
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I used blued stove pipe on my locomotive. It is hard to find also! I found some at a older hardware store.

Seems to me Russian steel as you call it was also a byproduct of sheets fed through the steel rolls to cool the rolls or something like that??? Not sure on that story!

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Old 06-10-2012, 11:58:17 PM
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I read it was treated in a bath of some type of molten metallic salts, would have to dig through our library to find it. May have read it in an ancient Luekens Steel book.
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Here is a link to a good description on how Russian iron was made.
http://utahrails.net/russian-iron.php
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Couldn't you use sheet metal and some gun bluing? Seems like it should look about right. Maybe experiment and post some pictures as there seems to be some interest in the topic.
http://www.vansgunblue.com/
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Hmmmm to protect your steamer? Nope sorry.
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If I were looking for a modern material as a substitute for Russia or Russion iron I would look at 300 series stainless steel and experiment with dyes and / or heat to get the rainbow colour effect, or use brushed finish and just leave it as-is. This material is commonly available, only slightly more expensive than cold rolled steel in thin sheets, and should stand up to the elements well outdoors.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:30:41 PM
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Gun bluing dosen't really look like Russian iron. Gun bluing is much darker than Russian iron. R D Wood company came up with a simpler way of making it and they called it their Patent Planished Sheet Iron but I have not been able to find any info on how it was made.

Here is a closeup picture of an original piece.
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