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Old 04-08-2017, 10:08:45 PM
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Default CCK Contractors 569483 from Saint John NB

Went on a little road trip today to Saint John NB.

Picked up this little toy



Don't see a name plate or spec tag anywhere - Maybe something will show up under the black coating on it when I clean that off - I think there might be some screen printing under there - any tricks to gently release the dirt without scrubbing the screen print totally off? any solvents in particular to use or avoid? (bit of old gas or diesel on a rag??) (I've got the engine block number in another picture)



The switch appears to have a 8 pin rectangular plug that matches the control box in the background.

It appears to be original twistlock outlets - Not sure that is very useful to me. Will likely want to rebuild that outlet box.



Getting _that_ extended stack into the back of the Rav4 was interesting.
Going to be trying to (very gently) unscrew that back about the first down elbow and replace with some flex!

If you look at the picture of it in the shed below you will notice that stack extended right through a 3" tin can fastened in the wall of the shed to let the exhaust out the back...

Those handles fold nicely out of the way, but I don't like the fact they don't lock in position when exteneded. VERY hard to control the cart.



More in next message...

David M
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Old 04-08-2017, 10:32:36 PM
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The original owner was an electrician - he had it all set up in the shed with wires into the house and a list of instructions on the wall by the electrical panel. The current owner (2nd house buyer) didn't want this set - said they are on the hospital grid, so never loose power. (Hospital is just up the hill). Said his new electrician was not impressed with the old set up inside the electrical panel and disconnected it for safety.

New owner said he had it working in October, but it wouldn't start now in March. Thought the spark wasn't working or weak so was in the process of troubleshooting, but not having much luck and was going to take the ad off Kijiji. Was willing to part with it "as is" for $125 Cdn.

He had bought a couple new autolite(?) spark plugs (not installed) and had a primary wire off the coil starting to troubleshoot. Looks like it will take a bit of going over.



Looks like a cover plate missing on the back of the points.



So - manuals, etc: looks like 927-0300 might be a manual number, but there is an awful pile of variations on that theme.

No serial number or spec plate visible


The engine block number looks like 569483. Please could someone suggest which are the right manuals and spec number for this set?

This will be a project to get this back up and running and cleaned up, so likely down the road a few months.

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Old 04-08-2017, 10:56:30 PM
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Looks like a 5 kw from the generator stack length.. here is a picture of my 5 kw contractors cck for comparison.


Great score!
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Point's cover is gone.. Looks like the condenser is not hooked up
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It came with this control panel mounted on the wall.



On the left hand side is in the input plug. It includes the twistlock plugs from the genset to the control panel and then from the control panel to the house junction boxes.

Any comments on using these connectors? - They appear in decent shape, but I don't think I want them because they aren't compatible with anything else I have and I'm not sure they are even obtainable now - should I be perhaps parting them out to restorers and rebuilding the set and panel with current jacks and plugs.

(I think I'm going to go with l14-30 twistlocks as a semi standard - I know this is only 5kw and the plugs are rated 7.2 kw, but they should work safely.)



On the right hand side is the output jack and various control ports



So - wonder which manual this one is? Don't see anything called a switchboard.



Did find this thread
https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=152185
and grabbed those files to compare although it's not the same model number.

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Default Re: CCK Contractors 569483 from Saint John NB

Love the generator set, what a great find.

But I *really* LOVE that panel!! That's the REAL score here!

Are the current connectors three or four pole?

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They are three pole connectors, but the shell appears to function as the fourth pole for ground bonding. So 120/240vac with neutral and ground.
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looks like it has some kind of idle control rigged up to the governor... some funky stuff on that.. never seen a older one with a electric starter like that
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Default Re: CCK Contractors 569483 from Saint John NB

Try the older CCK manuals:

927-0300
927-0500
927-0006
927-0754

and a more modern parts manual:

927-0220 Parts Spec A to U
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Here is the build sheet for the unit. I located the wiring diagrams close to your unit one might work.
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A 1957 classic, nice find!
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Here are the rest of the wiring diagrams. Sorry they should all be 615-**** . I named them wrong. Hope one works.
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Is there a build sheet for the generator set separate from the switchboard??
The engine block number looks like 569483.

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Yellowlister- love that lifting hook w/ the noose tied on. Is that for the bad days when you want to through in the towel??
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Default Re: CCK Contractors 569483 from Saint John NB

If the build sheet is correct. Be interesting to see.How a generator sold in Texas. Ended up in Canada. Onan did make a idle matic kit back then. That may be it. There also was an option to put a starter on a portable.

Switch board was what Onan called a transfer switch up until 1960 I believe.
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If the build sheet is correct. Be interesting to see.How a generator sold in Texas. Ended up in Canada. Onan did make a idle matic kit back then. That may be it. There also was an option to put a starter on a portable.

Switch board was what Onan called a transfer switch up until 1960 I believe.
My thoughts exactly. Would be fascinating to follow this set through 60 years
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Try this for cleaning, won't hurt the paint or the silk screen writing. I get it from the dollar store and it works better then just about anything else I have found. It is called GREASED LIGHTNING. Another product is called KRUD KUTTER. This stuff is crazy good!
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I have used the Greased Lightning in the past. Very good stuff.
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My sister uses it by the gallon cleaning tablecloths after banquets

Still wondering if there is more than one build sheet. The one mbb sent there is for the control panel but doesn't say anything about the motor like the starter and maybe some of the weirdness up top. I'm curious if that might be some kind of automatic electric choke. The manual choke is disconnected.
The engine block number looks like 569483.
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Be patient a limited number of people have the ability to look up build sheets from serial numbers.
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