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Old 07-22-2017, 12:56:10 PM
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Default Generator Controllers - Gencon II Pro

Anyone out here that has any controllers of any brand / model hooked into the Onans?

As some here already know, I was given a bunch of neat things including 8 Gencon II Pro controllers along with optional modules. I haven't the foggiest clue how these things interface with the generators other than the basics, but I am having a great time doing things and pressing buttons not know what the hell I'm doing. Getting information is very difficult since these controllers are not something most of us see especially for or small Onans.

Today, I hooked up one of the controllers on the bench by feeding it one leg from the utility and 12 VDC from a car battery. The thing lite up and seems to have endless menus. I attached 4 pictures below, but after 20 minutes of screwing around, I barely scratch the surface of knowing its full potential. Once I get to understand these things and know how to wire it up, I'll hook it to my JB.

My Question: Anyone here have any experience with controllers? Gencon II Pro experience? It is worth the time to learn how to operate controllers and incorporate them for use with our Onans? Where can I find manuals for the Gencon II system? Any other advice would be great!

OK, going to get a 6 pack then returning to have a blast by playing with the controller and doing endless Googles to find any information from the deep dark corners of the internet, if any information exists.

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Old 07-22-2017, 01:05:55 PM
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Not that I am the sole expert, but I've never seen one in 10 years of working on standby gensets, not even heard it mentioned. Developed in Israel. The fact you got a whole bunch of them makes me think someone ripped them off to replace them with a controller that's more US known. Website looks poorly developed but maybe you can dig around and find some useful info.

http://www.wexler.co.il/
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Old 07-22-2017, 01:19:38 PM
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Not that I am the sole expert, but I've never seen one in 10 years of working on standby gensets, not even heard it mentioned. Developed in Israel. The fact you got a whole bunch of them makes me think someone ripped them off to replace them with a controller that's more US known. Website looks poorly developed but maybe you can dig around and find some useful info.

http://www.wexler.co.il/
Thanks, I checked out their website earlier on. I can get only high level information, but not detailed information. Any detailed information out there requires $$$ to access it.

These controllers and other things came from a major generator company that my nephew worked for in the past. He commonly worked on BIG Mitsubishi 2.5 megawatt generators in a major city out my way. The company changed locations recently and there was lots of things left in their old building for the garbage thus he was given permission to grab all that was left for the vultures. I will pick his brain once I know what the hell I'm talking about, but I seldom see him since he is busy and lives in a different state.

Maybe I am going over my head by looking into the possibilities of hooking a professional controller to a small JB, but I am having tons of fun learning and playing. I know there is no way I will come close to using the full potential of these controllers, but using the basic functions is still a great learning experience. I would like to interface the controller with my PC (I have the optional things for it) so I can graph and track all information as if I'm in control in a command center, but that is really pushing it.

Anyway, thanks for the information. Any and all info is appreciated! Have a great day.

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Old 07-22-2017, 03:34:32 PM
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All I know is that I'm still somewhat envious...
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Thanks, I checked out their website earlier on. I can get only high level information, but not detailed information. Any detailed information out there requires $$$ to access it.
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Not that I am the sole expert, but I've never seen one in 10 years of working on standby gensets, not even heard it mentioned. Developed in Israel. The fact you got a whole bunch of them makes me think someone ripped them off to replace them with a controller that's more US known. Website looks poorly developed but maybe you can dig around and find some useful info.
I agree, these things are not cheap and the fact that somebody left a bunch of them behind does not speak well for their value.

There are quite a few well supported companies where you don't have to spend much or any money to get the info, why would anybody go for something obscure like this? Unless it was to make it more difficult for the customer to work on their own stuff.
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I agree, these things are not cheap and the fact that somebody left a bunch of them behind does not speak well for their value.

There are quite a few well supported companies where you don't have to spend much or any money to get the info, why would anybody go for something obscure like this? Unless it was to make it more difficult for the customer to work on their own stuff.
I think it is because the controller manufacturing company only wants professionals that have a true need to have access to the information, not shade-tree generator folks that have no real reason for the information such as myself.

Anyway, I did make some progress. I found a 43 page online document which I believe is similar to an operators document. I had to screen print EACH page since it did not allow me to print the document as a whole. It has plenty of information to keep me busy for a while.

As for the Gencon unit, I need to crack a password to gain access to certain parameters. It should not be too hard since it is only a 4 digit numeric password, but will be time consuming to go through 0000 to 9999. I don't know the default password, but I believe it would have been changed.

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are they generator controllers or transfer switch controllers?
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are they generator controllers or transfer switch controllers?
I believe they are generator controllers. This is new territory for me. These things interface with the generator and will issue alters, take measurements of the engine, generator and bus. It also has a SYNCscope. Has test and run functions with and without load, sleep, emergency start and stop, monitor all kinds of things including A/C Vacuum whatever the hell that is and a whole bunch more. I have no clue what much of this stuff is and I just begun reading the manual that I mentioned in my last post while screwing around with the controller in my house hooked up to a car battery and one leg to 120 vac utility. I guess I am in "sponge" mode soaking up what I can learn and determine what I can benefit from its capabilities and my Onan JB. This is fun stuff!!!!

Update: I believe one controller can be hooked up to 8 generators and has some kind of sequencing too, but I am not 100% positive. Actually, I am not positive about anything, yet.

Update #2 - The manual states that the Gencon II Pro is a complete control system for measurement, monitoring and control of synchronous and asynchronous (induction) generators. Its applications include 1) Automatic mains failure standby (emergency), Paralleling with the mains, and 3) Paralleling multiple generator-sets. ----- Okay that is what this thing does at a high level explanation.

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Likely these controllers can control both an ATS and a gen, It's fairly common.

Most of the aftermarket controller companies make it EASY to work on their stuff. Nice to find a manual online at 2 AM when you're desperate. It never speaks well of a company that locks it's info up. The fact someone has a multi 100 thou or million dollar gen system is enough price of admission to have need for a silly manual.

Password, try 0000, 1111, and 1234 first. It almost certainly has NOT been changed, only have ran into a scant few controllers that got a password change.
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That is something.
With proper inputs, it can give you all the information you could possibly want. Wonder what the control side can do. May be capable of monitoring and controlling a power plant- bringing units online or dropping them off as load requires.
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