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Old 11-23-2010, 02:01:51 PM
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Thought I would post a crazy idea for input from all you guys (and gals).
I have a CAT forklift, 4000 lb lift, sideshift, hydrostat on air tires. nice lift, it was given to me becuase the engine had a water in the oil problem. It has a Puegeot engine in it, and it a real bear to rebuild as it has sleeves that leak coolant into the oil if not done right, well get what, I think it is still leaks coolant a bit. My question is this, what would happen if I took the coolant out and just filled the radiator with motor oil so leakage would just be adding to the crankcase and not killing the engine?
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Old 11-23-2010, 02:38:12 PM
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I would wonder if the radiator could transfer enough heat to properly cool the engine?

I think you need to fix it right or find another engine. Is it the standard SAE engine mount?

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Old 11-23-2010, 03:07:55 PM
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Default Re: Forklift question.

heat transfer was my question as well. The engine is a XN1P. Alot of shops will not work on them becuase they are so difficult. I could just put another engine in it of another make if I wanted to.
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Old 11-23-2010, 03:28:46 PM
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Default Re: Forklift question.

Fill it full of motor oil and if it blows up, say "screw it" and replace the engine?
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Old 11-23-2010, 03:31:39 PM
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why dont you try some bars stop leak or something cheap like that?? i have a 6,000 lb cat that had the same problem, added the radiator stop leak and it worked... id at least try that before filling with oil
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:40:08 PM
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I have put some Barr's in it, it might be working, but I think it is still leaking some.
I have thought about running a nonpressured cap too. The decrease in pressure might let me get by without leaking. It might run a bit hotter but I do not run it that much at a time.
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Old 11-23-2010, 04:56:20 PM
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As long as you got it for free (I should be so lucky) you have nothing to lose whatever you do with it.

I would try the stop leak / block seal and then maybe leave the radiator cap on loose or find one with a lower pressure rating after sealing it just incase it's a cylinder liner seal that may open up again every time you run it.

OilPulled or someone else may be able to tell you how much hotter it would run with oil in the radiator. If it doesn't raise the temp too awful high, the higher temp would make it run more efficiently as long as you can control detination and don't get it hot enough to warp the head or anything (which I wouldn't be too concerned about... the built up motor in my 69 Firebird runs a Cool 240 degree's up to a warmer 280+ with no problems and one time got driven home with a knocked out radiator and no coolant at all for the 12 mile trip with No damage)

Run it till it blows, then swap in your engine of choice.
Or if you don't want to mess with it, even with no job, I'll double what you paid for it.

Advance the timing as far as you can without it rattling, maybe even play with the advance weights to get full advance earlier. Late timing will make it run hotter.
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Old 11-23-2010, 07:24:47 PM
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I don't think your hoses will last with oil. If the stop leak doesn't work put a hose on the drain plug, run to a ball valve on side of the machine, bleed the water off before each start, should get you by for ocassional use. I have one of these machines, runs good but it's been in a harsh environment, fertilizer plant. I plan to use the engine to run a generator.
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Old 11-23-2010, 09:19:18 PM
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Try bronze seal it comes in a tube and it a powder consistancy put 2 containers in and it should stop it as long as its not a major leak.
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I guess if it doesn't work, it won't be much of a matter... other than you'll have a radiator full of oil glop when all done.

IIRC the early Suzuki GXR-750 or something like that, used oil cooling rather than air or glycol... the heat transfer character of oil is somewhat slower than water, and it might put a bit of a load on the water pump... and probably not function well with the thermostat...

if it's a hydrostat, the engine coupling shouldn't be too much of a challenge... anything you can physically FIT in that hole, should work without too much trouble. Worst issues that come to mind, is if there's an engine PTO fixture on the timing gear that drives the main pump... that could be problematic to match... but I've seen all sorts of strange conversions using whatever-they-had, and most of 'em worked well.

Dunno how big your Peugeot motor IS, but I'd probably hunt out either a frequently-used industrial or marine engine (a GM 153 or 181) or something cheap and easy (a wrecked car) to stuff in there... something that uses parts easily found at the local auto-store...
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Old 02-24-2014, 09:24:28 PM
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WE use Blue Devil its a liquid works on a lot of head gasket problems an intakes
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Years ago while at a forklift dealership ( not Cat) I had the dubious pleasure of doing a head gasket on one of these Engines!
One of the worst designs on the planet! Nothing at all to locate the top of the sleeves.. They literally float under the head, the webbing in the block only comes to within about 1/4inch of the sleeve. I was lucky and had an easy version (there are 2) and it only took 9 pages of factory manual to change it. See if you can convert to a real engine, even a flathead Continental is worlds better.
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Hey everyone, I'm having a tough time putting a timing chain in my cat forklift with a xn1p. My old chain snapped so I have no reference to go off. I have the crank at tdc on cylinder 1 (rear most cylinder by trans) piston is at the top of the stroke. The alignment mark at the flywheel is dead on. The cam is lined up with th dist pointer pointing at #1cyl. But in the book it says the line on the front crank sprocket needs to be at the 7o clock position. This is not the case. Right now it's pointed at 11-12 o'clock. I'm extremely confused. Any advise or input would be great , FYI I'm using a car repair manual From a 1980 Peugeot 505 witch uses the same engine.

thanks in advance
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Hi, The water pump would probably protest the increased viscosity, the oil would most likely foam and the hoses rot and as menchioned the heat transfer would be suspect. I'm not real sure the radiator would flow the oil. Barrs is good and I have had 100% success with Blue Devil for head gaskets, I would think it would work for liners. Just opinions, I know everyone has them. The blue Devil would be a fast cheap fix. You can always go the correct route if it doesn't work. Good Luck
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Default Re: Forklift Question

The first thing I would try would be to just put the radiator cap on at the first notch so it doesn't build pressure and monitor the crankcase for a while. That may do the trick, as long as the fork lift isn't working all day, every day.
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Old 10-15-2017, 12:49:45 PM
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Ok, I have never said this in public, but I was a Pugeot mechanic in the '80s..... there, I said it.... I've had the displeasure of doing liner seals on a weekly basis . The bottom of the liners and the block MUST be spotless. You have to do this by hand w/fine grit sand paper. If you go at the block with an air powered wire wheels or bear tex pads it will not seal. The factory drilled that into us, so I never did, although it sure was tempting! Only use the aluminum shims on the bottom of the liners, if you got paper, the best place for them is the trash. Set the liner protrusion on the high side, but try hard to get them as close to each other as possible. Make sure the head is flat, if you didn't get it cut, it's not flat. Not a bad job in the cars, I could turn them around in a day and re-torque / adjust valves the next morning. We left the pistons in the liners, just popped the connecting rods. Sorry 123, I don't remember the timing chain marks.
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The only cooling system sealer I have had luck with is K&W block seal. Follow the instructions exactly.
Modern MLS head gaskets DO NOT GET ANY KIND OF SEALING MATERIAL!!!
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You fellow's do realize the original post is almost seven years old. Interesting read though!
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Damn, always a day late............ can I take back that I admitted I was a Peugeot mechanic?
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Damn, always a day late............ can I take back that I admitted I was a Peugeot mechanic?
I worked on more than one of those POS engines too. Come to think of it Peugeot did a lot of things there own way; just as Citroen did but they got it right where Peugeot struggled. Liner leaking was prevalent in many of their engines and liberal amounts of Vaseline was the lubricant to use when slipping liners into the block. You're right about lack of locating to the liners and protrusion height or they were a problem. If the engine got hot, best to mill both the head and block or you would see it again.....

It was great when they finally rusted away.....
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