Antique Engines and Old Iron

[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® General Discussion > Antique Autos and Trucks
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Antique Autos and Trucks All about finding and fixing old car or truck engines and vintage vehicles.

Antique Autos and Trucks

Republic Truck


this thread has 15 replies and has been viewed 8891 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-30-2012, 10:12:17 PM
Pete Mandt Pete Mandt is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wahpeton, North Dakota
Posts: 47
Thanks: 32
Thanked 119 Times in 29 Posts
Default Republic Truck

I have picked up a Republic truck and am trying to learn as much about it as possible. I am looking for engine pictures. Did they ever use a Buda engine? I have seen some information listing Continental, Waukesha and Lycoming. The engine I am looking at has some Buda characteristics, however I am not an expert on any of these engines. Maybe they look more alike than I think. It is a four cylinder. Just wondering.

Thanks,
Pete
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Pete Mandt For This Post:
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 01-31-2012, 01:38:10 AM
Bud Tierney Bud Tierney is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,235 Times in 966 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Republic, 1912-1929/31, Alma Motor Truck Co, Alma MI, name changed to Republic Motor Truck Co 1914, like many "assembled" trucks of the period, used an array of vendor engines.
Republic merged into commercial div of American LaFrance in 1929, forming LaFrance-Republic Corporation; some "Republic" trucks were built into 1931 but exported to the UK. Sterling bought LaF-R in 1932, continuing to sell LaF-R badged trucks to 1942. (All per Mroz's truck book).
Eyeballing a couple catalogs shows various Lycoming, Cont and Wauk 4s, but no Buda; however, other models not listed in those two catalogs may've had Budas.
D'you have a body tag with a model number, and do you know the year?? (I asume there's no engine tag left).
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-02-2012, 09:11:09 PM
Pete Mandt Pete Mandt is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Wahpeton, North Dakota
Posts: 47
Thanks: 32
Thanked 119 Times in 29 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Bud,
I am not familiar with any of these engines from this time period. I was basing my similiarity to Buda on pictures I had seen on another thread on this forum. It looked alot the the Buda in the MH tractor #2? or #3? other than this one does not have a removable head. I have been told that it is a Contintental and have no reason to doubt it with my limited knowledge of these old trucks and engines. I do not know if there is an engine tag or not. I have not personally seen the truck, just the pictures. Bought it based on the pictures. Always a hell of a good idea! Will have more information in a month or so when I get it home.
Here is a picture of the engine.

Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Pete Mandt For This Post:
  #4  
Old 02-10-2012, 03:22:29 AM
Manuel Manuel is offline
Registered-I
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Australia
Posts: 5
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

There is some Republic literature on the e bay at the moment.
Item number: 270905548553

Manuel in Oz
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-04-2012, 02:39:31 AM
mgy125 mgy125 is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Hi...I am new to this forum and found this thread because we are restoring a 1919 Republic Model 10 truck. Do any of you know of sources for workshop manuals or detailed technical drawings etc for this truck. We are working a bit blind at the moment and would appreciate any help you can give.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-04-2012, 12:48:45 PM
vern0n's Avatar
vern0n vern0n is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Santa Fe, Texas
Posts: 2,960
Thanks: 1,948
Thanked 1,976 Times in 814 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Just go down to your local Republic dealership. Ebay turns up some good stuff sometimes. Hennings also. If you have some patent numbers, do a search on them.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-04-2012, 01:46:07 PM
casertractor casertractor is online now
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Milton, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,159
Thanks: 23,620
Thanked 5,644 Times in 2,338 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Pete do you have any more pictures of this truck that you can share with us? as i have not seen a Republic truck before.John
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-05-2012, 01:13:57 AM
Bud Tierney Bud Tierney is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,235 Times in 966 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

MGY: Per my Power Wagon 1919 specs your Model 10 is a 1Ton--
Cont "N" engine, 19.5 SAE HP, Ruggles governor, Stromberg carb, Bosch mag, no water pump (thermo-syphon), "own" (??) radiator, Fuller multi-disc clutch, Fuller sliding gear 3 speed trans (gearbox),Internal gear Torgenson rear axle, 1/2 springs front and rear (maker not stated), wood Prudden wheels with 34x3 front and 34x4 read solid tires (no duals on rear), Jacox steering gear, Savage pressed steel frame, 124 inch WB, hand crank start.
Unfortunately those specs do not say WHICH Bosch mag, WHICH Stromberg carb, etc, etc, so they're only a start. I don't know if Republic printed repair manuals or relied on/referred owners to manuals from their various suppliers. Good luck.
PETE M: While looking this up did note Republic had a 6Ton in the July specs that had a Buda HU; it wasn't in the Dec specs.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-15-2012, 09:12:50 PM
mgy125 mgy125 is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Bud...thanks for the info. It all helps. Tom
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-20-2013, 08:15:37 PM
Epley Epley is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: San Marcos, Texas
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Pete
My organization has obtained a donated Republic Truck billed as a 1913 but I am leaning more to 1915-16. At any rate it has a Buda Engine with data plate id OU-1015 serial 17696. It looks just like your engine pictured above. Three "experts" told us that Republic never put a Buda in their trucks but I found a 1916 ad that said they did. Also found two testimonials from owners in 1916 talking about the Buda Engine in their Trucks. Can't find out much about them or a serial number on the truck but the Axle it has was from a company that went out of business on 1 Jan 1917. Like you we are looking for more info. Clint
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	engine buda name - Copy (800x600) (640x480).jpg
Views:	156
Size:	146.0 KB
ID:	155488   Click image for larger version

Name:	engine left side - Copy (640x480).jpg
Views:	191
Size:	126.5 KB
ID:	155489  
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Epley For This Post:
  #11  
Old 01-20-2013, 10:41:52 PM
John Hamilton's Avatar
John Hamilton John Hamilton is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Waxahachie, Texas, USA
Posts: 1,015
Thanks: 79
Thanked 630 Times in 351 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Both engines pictured have water pumps and magnetos. The shaft shown has a pulley on the left, a water pump in the center and the mag with horseshoe magnets on the right. Obviously the same engine.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-21-2013, 03:08:03 AM
Bud Tierney Bud Tierney is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,235 Times in 966 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

The OU, per a 36 King products catalog, doesn't seem to share parts with very many other Budas...
Piston is its own; wrist pin is shared with the TU, but apparently came in two types: set screw and lock ring (the set screw and lock ring show for other Budas, but I assume these're commodity items, so didn't list..
Bearings, both rods and three mains, are shared with the QU and TU.
Valves are also shared with the QU and TU; no guides, springs or keepers are listed, but presumably they'd share them as well. Again, basically commodity items.
A 1930 McCord gasket catalog doesn't list any of the three, not a good sign as to widespread use...a 33 Perf Circle ring catalog lists dates for some engines (I have no idea how accurate the dates are) and shows the OU as 1913-28, the QU as 1912-23 and the TU as 1913-26, so you'd think a 1930 catalog would list at least the OU and TU (the assumption being that if they were limited use engines McCord might've not gotten enoigh calls to put them into the 1930 catalog)...

---------- Post added at 02:08 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:00 AM ----------

Mroz's truck book says per some records first Republic built 1912 by Alma Motor Truck Company. 1913 models were 3/4 and 1Ton and remained the same for 1914 when name changed to Republic Motor truck Company. For 11915 there were three shaft drive and two chain drive models, that by the end of 915 chain drive was discontinued and Torbenson Internal Gear drive was advertised...don't know if that's any help as to pinning down year or not...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-21-2013, 10:46:26 PM
Epley Epley is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: San Marcos, Texas
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Bud this is a big help. This truck is bigger than a 1 ton and has an internal gear drive axle but it is not a Torbenson. It has internal and external brakes we just took all that apart to ease restoration. We believe it is a 2 1/2 ton front wheels weigh 175 lbs solid rubber, wood spokes. Back wheels are bigger and heavier. The engine info is appreciated I couldn't find anything on the OU engine. As John said the engine that Pete has and ours are the same design. We have rebuilt the mag and the cracked water pump is being repaired. Truck before disassembly is attached. It is now striped to the frame and that is being sandblasted. The engine is off to an overhaul shop. One wheel has been restored. Interesting project.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	As received.jpg
Views:	168
Size:	86.1 KB
ID:	155625   Click image for larger version

Name:	buda engine - Copy (640x639).jpg
Views:	160
Size:	125.8 KB
ID:	155626  
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Epley For This Post:
  #14  
Old 01-22-2013, 03:09:23 PM
Bud Tierney Bud Tierney is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Posts: 3,081
Thanks: 230
Thanked 1,235 Times in 966 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Finally thought to eyeball some older catalogs (which I should've done first--had my brain in low and my mouth in high) and didn't find anything definitive (parts catalogs are weak reeds to lean on) but did find interesting things...
A 24 piston catalog listed three Budas, but not your OU...only listing close to our years was the "T" 31/2ton 1916-17 with the Buda T and TU, 41/2 bore,which seems to've gone to the HU 41/4 bore for 1917-19...
A 1917 Burd ring catalog was much more interesting. Unfortunately this catalog is set up by ring size, under each size listing cars, trucks, engines etc using that size. Under Republic truck it lists (without any tonnage , again unfortunately):
1908-12---"all"--4 and 6 cyl--41/4 bore, 4 1/4 rings. This's one of the most popular sizes, and includes several Budas, three Cont'ls, a Hersh-Splmn, a Salter I'm unfamiliar with and an early Wauk "L", just in the 4s..
1913-14--model C--33/4 with 3 3/16 rings, a size which includes the Cont'l "C" and others; AND a second engine with 33/4 bore and 4 1/4 rings--DECIDEDLY CURIOUS as this size
lists NONE of the usual vendor engines with 4 rings. It does list a Rochester, which I'm unfamiliar with, and it includes a raft of other "assembled" trucks, so could be a misprint or omission ...
1914-16 (in index) Model N, also with two sizes:
(a) 1914-16 with 31/2 bore, 3 3/16 rings, fitting Cont'l "N" and others; and:
(b) 1915-16 with 33/4 with 3 3/16 rings, fitting Cont'l "C" and others (possible upgrade or option??)...
1915-16--model OU--41/8 bore with 3 1/4 rings, fitting the Buda OU and a couple other Budas...(probably yours??)...
1915-16--model TU--41/4 with 3 1/4 rings, fitting Buda TU and others.
For 1917 models 9 and 10...
Another 1917-26 catalog with no engine info indicates numbered models began in 1917 but some letter models continued to 1918, which DOES NOT agree with other dates shown above, illustrating how parts catalogs are inconsistent/confusing...
With sympathy, Bud

---------- Post added at 02:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 PM ----------

Oh--look at you data plate carefully; there was also a Republic with a QU Buda...
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-22-2013, 07:10:21 PM
Epley Epley is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: San Marcos, Texas
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

Bud
Thanks for the look ups good info. To your last the data plate is very clear it is definately an OU. We are sending it off tomorrow to the engine shop so may have more info later the sizes will help. I am not be answering for a while we are off on a trip Saturday to South America and Antarctica back in three weeks. Thanks again for the help. Clint
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	engine buda name - Copy (640x337).jpg
Views:	63
Size:	129.3 KB
ID:	155731  
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-21-2013, 07:30:27 PM
adam g adam g is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: 565 So.Bridgton Rd bridgton maine
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Republic Truck

I have a Model 10 Republic pickup. Need help with finding a right front wheel and would love to see what the redone one looks like ,, Thanks
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Anyone Going to Republic Mo? T.R.W. Steam Stationary Engines, Traction Engines 2 09-08-2008 08:56:06 PM
Republic MO show photos markcorson Steam Stationary Engines, Traction Engines 3 09-16-2007 06:59:32 PM
Republic, MO Swap Meet Charlie Bryant Antique Engine Archives 4 04-08-2004 10:51:06 AM
Show in Republic, Mo Ken Stuempges Antique Engine Archives 3 09-12-2003 08:31:17 AM
Republic Mo. swap meet Richard Jensen Antique Engine Archives 1 02-14-2003 12:11:01 AM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:19:43 AM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2019 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277