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Hart, Texas - PHOTOS and Reports


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Funny thing is Harold, I've yet to find a "preservationist" that is willing to sell me an engine worth $10,000 for $1000 just so I will "preserve" it. I think a true "preservationist" would take everything they have and donate it to a museum or local historical society. Old engines are no different than old cars, old guns or other collectibles. Many of us like the stuff because we have a mechanical as well as historical bend to our personality. Put them together and the old engines, tractors and steam are a natural fit. Yet our love of the historical and mechanical items doesn't dictate that the market is in tune with what we want to pay for something. Old engine market value is driven by supply and demand the same way it drives old car values and others. I agree with Keith. Its a hobby that's a lot of fun and at the end of the line, we haven't lost a lot of money playing with it.
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Without the money aspect, a good portion of this old iron would have been scrapped a long time ago.
There's a world of truth in the above statement!
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I think a true "preservationist" would take everything they have and donate it to a museum or local historical society.
And then that museum or society would sell the items to get money for their latest planned project.

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I have a better one to tell! I had one for $4000 which got away in 1979 and it would have been kept at tha nearest show to its birthplace.
I am not allowed to tell more here, but my email & phone are: edschott@comcast.net (now) 815-968-4060 or 815-608-1977.
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Exactly Harry! (in regards to a museum selling items). Think about the Henry Ford museum. They had the large engine auctions in the 80's because their curator wanted to go "in a different direction". You know that several of the items given the museum were given thinking they would be owned by the museum forever. However, in this day of corporate cut backs such things as museums are on the low rung.
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A collector does not a "preservationist" make.
I think MOST of us are collectors rather than the other.
Fixing something up doesn't make one a preservationist.
I haven't yet met a collector who hasn't bought and sold.......haven't met one EITHER so altruistic they'll sell below market as suggested by da Judge.......

I can't imagine a collector who collects with utter disregard for value.......or, in MOST cases, afford to do so.
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Craig, I know they can't afford to sell to everyone below market value, I just want them to sell to me below market value.....
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Is there a complete list of all the sale prices, especially the tractors? I would like to know what the rumely sold for.
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Check this out.http://nixonauctioneers.com/listings...mstrong_prices

Archived here with permission of Nixon Auctioneers:

GAS ENGINES

The engines are listed in the order in which they were sold.

John Deere 1 1/2 HP Spark Plug $1,500.00
Waterloo Boy 1 3/4 HP $1,200.00
John Deere 3 HP Spark Plug $2,900.00
John Deere 3 HP $4,000.00
John Deere 1 1/2 HP Spark Plug $1,100.00
Cushman Cub 4 HP $300.00
Associated 1 3/4 HP on trucks $1,000.00
Rock Island 2 HP on trucks $550.00
Cushman 8 HP $400.00
John Deere 3 HP $800.00
John Deere 3 HP $800.00
John Deere 3HP $775.00
Jacobson 2 Cycle $200.00
Liberty $650.00
Liberty $225.00
B & S FH $350.00
B & S FH $225.00
Eclipse 1 HP $200.00
Lauson Lawton 1 1/2 HP Side Shaft $14,000.00
IH Famous 8 HP, nice original $39,000.00
Witte Headless 2 HP $600.00
Sandow 2 HP $800.00
John Deere 6 HP $6,100.00
Mogul 5 1/2 HP $650.00
Waterloo Boy 1 1/2 HP $900.00
IHC M 1 1/2 HP $150.00
Massey Harris Cushman Cub $350.00
Reeves 1 HP $8,200.00
John Deere 3 HP $1,900.00
Fairbanks Morse 3 HP $550.00
Ottawa 2 HP $550.00
John Deere 1 1/2 HP Spark Plug $2,300.00
Fairbanks Morse 2 HP $125.00
New Way 1 1/2 HP $1,100.00
John Deere 3 HP Enclosed $8,000.00
Fuller & Johnson Pump Engine $600.00
Mogul Starting Engine $1,700.00
John Deere Dain Cement Mixer $800.00
Fairbanks Morse D $200.00
Armstrong Steam Engine $13,500.00
Ideal Upright 1 1/2 HP $1,100.00
IHC Titan 1 HP $1,700.00
Empire 1 1/2 HP $1,000.00
Cushman 4 HP $650.00
Witte Headless 2 HP $750.00
Galloway 5 HP $1,500.00
John Deere 6 HP $7,300.00
Stover 10 HP $1,600.00
Krueger Atlas 6 HP $16,750.00
Witte Headless 4 HP $800.00
John Deere 3 HP $1,500.00
Fuller & Johnson Pump Engine $400.00
Galloway 7 HP $2,300.00
Fairbanks Morse 4 HP $12,000.00
Galloway 5 HP $6,050.00
Atlas 5 HP $14,400.00
Mogul 4 HP Side Shaft $7,600.00
Fairbanks Morse Jack Jr. $850.00
Ottawa Drag Saw $500.00
Economy 6 HP $1,400.00
Fuller & Johnson 3 HP $1,100.00
Hercules 3 HP $650.00
Fairbanks Morse 3 HP $550.00
Waterloo 1 1/2 HP $500.00
Fairbanks Morse 6 HP $375.00
Witte Log Saw $1,250.00
Cushman 8 HP $175.00
Fuller & Johnson 1 1/2 HP $900.00
Economy 1 1/2 HP $1,050.00
New Way 2 1/2 HP $1,400.00
John Deere 1 1/2 HP w/pulley $1,450.00
Root & VanderVoort 1 HP $3,250.00
IHC M 1 1/2 HP $1,200.00
Fairbanks Morse 2 HP $800.00
Fairbanks Morse H 2 HP $950.00
Fairbanks Morse w/compressor $1,000.00
Fairbanks Morse Eclipse 2 HP $200.00
Fairbanks Morse 3 HP Hit and Miss $750.00
Novo 6 HP $1,100.00
Fairbanks Morse Upright 2 HP $5,400.00
Fairbanks Morse 3 HP $850.00
New Holland 5 HP $7,000.00
Galloway 2 1/4 HP $1,450.00
New Way 2 1/2 HP $950.00
Fairbanks Morse 3 HP $750.00
IHC 12 HP Horizontal $13,000.00
Aermotor 2 1/2 HP Fluted Hopper $8,500.00
Famous 4 HP $8,200.00
Monitor 1 1/4 HP $1,400.00
Stover 10 HP $4,100.00
Upright Famous 2 HP $6,200.00
Sandwich 6 HP $4,000.00
Witte 6 HP $950.00
Upright Famous 3 HP $4,000.00
Olds 6 HP with saw rig $3,100.00
IHC 2 1/2 HP $4,500.00
Galloway 6 HP with saw rig $2,400.00
Armstrong 7 HP $5,500.00
Fairbanks Morse Parts Engine $400.00
New Way 2 1/2 HP with Orchard Sprayer $1,400.00
Galloway 5 HP $2,300.00
Armstrong 2 HP $5,100.00
Fairbanks Morse Dishpan $275.00
Fairbanks Morse Dishpan $275.00
Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 HP $600.00
Fairbanks Morse Dishpan $225.00
Titan Jr. 1 HP $2,300.00
Tom Thumb 1 HP $1,900.00
Aermotor $1,850.00
Monitor 1 HP $4,000.00
Fairbanks Morse Headless 1 1/2 HP $650.00
Fairbanks Morse Headless 1 1/2 HP $600.00
Mogul 1 HP $1,300.00
John Smyth 1 1/2 HP $2,600.00
Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 HP $325.00
Economy 5 HP $800.00
Domestic Side Shaft 3 HP $4,100.00
Fairbanks Morse Upright 9 HP $8,900.00
New Way Binder Engine $250.00
Kohler Generator $210.00
Waterloo Boy 4 HP $1,800.00
Eclipse 1 HP $950.00
Eclipse 2 HP $1,500.00
IHC M 6 HP $1,000.00
Mogul 1 3/4 HP $2,250.00
Root and VanderVoort 2 HP $3,000.00
Fairbanks Morse H 6 HP $1,900.00
Novo 2 HP $750.00
Fairbanks Morse Upright 2 HP $3,400.00
Ford 90 HP with Rock Island Radiator $850.00
Maytag Twin $150.00
Maytag Twin $150.00
Maytag Twin $100.00
Maytag Single $50.00
Maytag Single $225.00
B & S FH $325.00



TRACTORS

The Tractors are listed in the order in which they were sold.

Ford 9N 7006B $1,100.00
Farmall Cub 45363 $350.00
John Deere B 170347 $1,200.00
Massey Harris Pony 3673 $900.00
John Deere D 115843 $3,100.00
John Deere GP 216161 $2,300.00
Rumely Oil Pull M 2322 $13,500.00
Fairbanks Morse 15-25 142978 $375,000.00
John Deere B, 4 Bolt, with lift $8,800.00
John Deere MT 24981 $3,400.00
Mogul 8-16 $32,000.00
John Deere AR 253046 $5,900.00
John Deere G, Low Radiator 1165 $15,000.00
Waterloo Boy Model N 30302 $75,000.00
John Deere D, Spoker, 33832 $15,000.00
John Deere G, Low Radiator 2576 with tank $14,000.00
Case 18-32 55932 $11,000.00
Rumely Oil Pull W 4123 $20,500.00
John Deere M 19079 $2,000.00
John Deere GPWT Side Steer 400427 $12,000.00
John Deere GPA, Open Fan Shaft, 410872 $8,600.00
John Deere AR 261527 $5,200.00
Case 12-20 45551 $15,000.00
John Deere GPA 111489 Open Fan Shaft $4,000.00
John Deere B 45191 $1,850.00
John Deere AR 250645 $3,000.00
John Deere 420C 115996 with blade and 3 pt. $9,000.00
John Deere 530 LP with 3 pt. 5301933 $12,500.00
John Deere 430T 3 pt. 158766 $5,000.00
Allis Chalmers E 20-35 42008 $3,100.00
John Deere BR 331659 $8,100.00
John Deere A 423801 $6,100.00
John Deere BR 332403 $8,300.00
John Deere B 2039 $4,800.00
John Deere B 7444 $1,100.00
John Deere A Open Fan Shaft 413547 $3,500.00
John Deere 40S 60188 $1,850.00
Empire Tractor $1,100.00
Ford Model T Conversion $5,750.00
John Deere Unstyled L 621744 $10,000.00
John Deere W Power Unit $5,400.00
John Deere W Power Unit 2484 $5,500.00
John Deere W Power Unit 1037 $7,000.00
John Deere W Power Unit $5,500.00
Caterpillar D2 with blad 3J7869 $5,750.00
John Deere H 40932 $2,400.00
John Deere B 288298 $500.00
John Deere B 255703 $1,400.00
John Deere G 64040 $3,900.00
John Deere 520LP 5208598 $8,000.00
John Deere 70 LP 7039779 $1,200.00
John Deere 530 5305890 $5,400.00
John Deere 40 74646 $4,250.00
Minneapolis Moline GTS 106990S $5,900.00
Twin City 25657 $6,750.00
Minneapolis Moline ZTU 584843 $7,000.00
Case Steam Engine 12 HP 6703 $31,000.00
Case 1/4 Scale Steam Engine $4,600.00
Case 1/8 Scale Steam Engine $3,000.00
John Deere L $2,500.00
John Deere A 412722 $3,200.00
John Deere 50 5003754 $1,000.00
John Deere GP $3,250.00
John Deere L with plow $1,700.00
Fordson $600.00


TRUCKS

The Trucks are listed in the order in which they were sold.

Ford 1933 Flat Bed Truck $10,000.00
Ford TT Truck 1924 $3,500.00
Chevy Truck $4,500.00
Chevy Flat Bed Truck $2,700.00
Ford AA Truck $750.00
Southern Fire Truck $650.00
International Fuel Delivery Truck $5,200.00

Listing added by Harry with permission.

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Have to give credit where credit is due - Bill Rees, Franklin, IL was a preservationist - he sold a young guy (me) some tractors below what they were worth so that they would be preserved and restored. Still working at that though! He was a great guy - just wanted to say so.
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I think the same Fairbanks tractor that sold for $375,000 discussed in this thread sold for $141,750 ($135,000 + 5% buyers premium) today.

That is a $233,250 or about a 62.2% drop in price.

Tommy mentioned he could have bought it for $8,500 in the mid 80's. If we assume that would have been 1986 (30 years ago) The compounded rate of return at todays selling price would be 9.83% per year.

At the selling price of $375,000 in 2009 the compounded rate of return would have been 17.9% over those 23 years.

It seems like I remember that in 2009 the story was that a group of local farmers pooled their money together and were the backup bidders. I wonder if they knew about the auction today.
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jon, thanks for the update on that investment. just wonder what all that old iron will be worth in 7yrs from now
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