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Twin City 17-28...My Intiation into the Twin Cam Faternity!


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Default Re: Twin City 17-28...My Intiation into the Twin Cam Faternity!

Mark, what do you think about the clutch pedal by now? I was thinking if mine was a good enough tractor to use, i might put a hand clutch on it.
Years ago at the show a guy brought one that wouldn't disengage now and then, i suppose something was wrong but wondered about loading and unloading, tight storage manuvering, etc.
I really appreciate your thread, planning on working mine over this winter and it has the holley also which i would like to use if possible. The head is soon to come off to evaluate the valves and such.
The valve cover on mine has been dented pretty good from inside, i just noticed that this week. Moust be the valves are pretty sharp, you know?
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Russ, that clutch pedal can get some getting used to!! I've had several TCs with that pedal and it's quite easy to get in trouble in tight quarters! I pushed out the back wall of my shop some years ago by the lugs bouncing the tractor and my foot on the pedal just as I backed up to the wall. When loading, I always winch most steel wheel tractors on as it's much safer. Seen too many "incidents" happen with steel lugs on ramps.
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Phil, years ago i cut the tread out of some tractor tires to bolt onto the rear of my 22-36, then later i took them off and put lugs on. Since then i lay those down on my ramps and up onto the trailer for the steel wheel tractors, works real good in preventing the lugs slipping and catching on the ramps.
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Russ...A fair number of the Twin Cams were converted over to a hand clutch lever as the clutch pedal is not really user friendly and takes some getting used to. First of all it's the wrong foot and then it's push to engage instead of push to release. It is difficult to overcome the learned response when things start to go wrong. I had a negative experience trying to load the 17-28 on a trailer and kept wanting to push the clutch to release it. I now winch the dead tractor on.

This set up also has it's challenges when backing up to an implement. I never did comprehend how to make use of the factory drawbar as it is way under the platform and the pin holes can't be seen by the operator to line them up.

I wouldn't be surprised if your head needs the seats replaced. It's pretty common to see the seats ground a long way into the head on these old tractors.
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Earlier in this thread I had brought up the fact that part of my motivation for acquiring my TC 17-28 was that both my grandfathers had used this same model tractor in their respective farming operations. I was recently back in eastern MN for a family reunion on my mother's side and while looking through old pictures was pleasantly surprised to find this one of my Grandpa Moffatt using his Twin City back in 1936.

The Moffatt clan were great cranks for calling each other by their middle names. The inscription on the photo appears to have been made by my geat grandmother. "Carn" is John C (my grandpa) and "Dads" would have referred to my Great Grandfather James. This father-son team farmed together in the 30's
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Nice family photo, Mark. Looks like an early short fender 12-20. Also has the early style crank. Any record of it's serial number?
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Phil...unfortunately there is no serial # available. It certainly is an earlier model than my 1926 17-28. Unfortunately for me this 12-20 was long gone before I came on the scene.

Grandpa told me that while they were breaking land on a side hill the spokes worked loose on the hub of the furrow side rear wheel. He nursed it home where they were able to patch things up. If I remember the story correctly shortly after this happened the Twin City was traded in on a newer McCormick Deering 10-20.

As I studied the photo I found the combination of the later intake manifold matched with the Pierce governor to be an unlikely combination. This same combination happened on the later 20-35 prototypes but only for a short time as MS&M designed their own governor soon after the intake manifold improvement came about. No doubt as soon as the new governor assembly was available they were being installed on the 12-20's as well. When the 20-35's were available for public sale in mid 1920 they were only outfitted with the Twin City governor. So in making a somewhat educated guess it looks like Grandpa's 12-20 Short Fender was built in the late 1919 to early 1920 range.
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My Grandfather on my Dad's side traded everything off, they started out with mules and a used early D John Deere, went to a used W-30 International and things took off from there.
My Grandfather on my Mom's side kept everything, i did get his C Case.
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Because of health issues last summer the 17-28 sat parked in the garage over the past year. I did have it running this fall for a bit before freeze up and my temperamental Holley carb seemed to go back into the overfueling mode again.

As I contemplated possible carb replacement I also wanted to retain the original air cleaner and mounting. The configuration on the Holley is not a common one...an updraft design with a side air intake. I knew of no other carbs that were laid out that fashion until.....

I saw this one for sale on Ebay. It is a Stromberg LS-2 with the correct flange to air intake layout. While not a direct replacement for the Holley all the critical measurements are in the doable range. Best of all it is a double circuit design. Issues to iron out will be the reversed throttle butterfly operation and a source of carb heat.

I'll keep you posted on any developments....
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Default Re: Twin City 17-28...My Intiation into the Twin Cam Faternity!

Think you will find that the Stromberg will operate fine without the heat source like the Holley. Unless your running kerosene.
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