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Old 12-20-2018, 05:21:47 PM
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Our club (Jacktown), with the help of another stak member, has acquired a really neat piece of history. It is a small road roller driven by a Hercules 4 cyl. engine. We believe it to be about 6 tons, but of that we are not sure. There are a few pics attached but am looking for anyone who might know about these. If you know of another forum that might be of help to us please pass it on.

From the tags we believe it to be no earlier than 1923. The engine tag appears to say Model D but I cannot find any information for that letter. Perhaps it is an O. I'll try to keep you posted on the restoration.
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Old 12-24-2018, 04:33:12 PM
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Updated information and pics.

The engine is definitely a Model O sn. 36903
size 4 x 5

There are a couple of new pix also. You just gotta love the exhaust pipe, and the Worthington compressor which powers the scarifiers (sp).
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Old 12-24-2018, 11:16:24 PM
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We have one of those rollers at Rough and Tumble if you want to come down and look at it.
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Old 12-25-2018, 03:04:08 PM
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If you aren't already in contact, there's the HCEA (Hist Const Eqpmt Assn/of America??)
Their website draws an oddly small amount of traffic, but I understand their library of tech info/manuals is considerable...
The "0" was a fairly popular engine, the first of a series with a fair amount of commonality of engine parts (pistons, valves, bearings), but the only familiar name I see in my partial list is diamond T--I understand their website is no longer current but that there's a facebook or similar bunch ongoing...
Jerry Biro herculesparts.com is the place to start for parts etc...
OOPS---should've thought to mention if searching for engine parts do not confuse with later OO/OOA etc engine series...
Another Herc source is herculesengine.cos
m (engine singular; if you put in engines plural you get the Herc farm engines site)...

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Old 12-26-2018, 01:54:31 PM
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The one Bill posted of at R&T doesn’t have the correct manifolds. Would like to find a set w/ carb though!
Would it be possible to post a picture of the left side of the engine to see the linkage setup?

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Old 12-26-2018, 04:20:38 PM
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Glad to see you got it! We (the NJAE&MC) are sorry now that we passed it up, but am glad I got the info about it to you guys, and you acted on it. Please advise when you begin work on it, I would be very glad to help you out with it.

I thought it was neat that they ran the exhaust hard pipe ti the 'smok stack' in the front of the roller. If that engine threw oil out the exhaust, someone would get 'black rain' out of it! Did you get any pix of its removal from that partially collapsed garage, and wqas it hard to pull out?

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Old 12-26-2018, 08:43:17 PM
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Weezer the pics I have are not very good since that is not what I was concentrating on. We haave already taken the carb off for cleaning, but I will try to get some next Monday. The only thing I remember is that there was a gas line and a throttle control. Pic attached.

Andrew, I was not there, but think it was a 3 day operation. Last day was used to drag it out with a pickup to get it loaded on a rollback. The first day they used 5 gallons of penetrating fluid.

Three guys did all the work and pictures were not one of the necessities. And actually they probably all had flip phones.
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Old 12-27-2018, 02:00:11 PM
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Wheezer A couple more from today. There is not too much more to see.
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Old 12-31-2018, 04:42:08 PM
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Couple of new pics and info.
Cleaned up Zenith carb sitting on engine not installed.

Rear wheel is 48 inches in diameter. Close up of pin used to engage drive. With pins on each side pulled out the roller free wheels.
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Well, it is Monday again and quite a bit was accomplished. Some pics follow as to what was done. The Zenith carb was installed, and the cleaned and dressed Eismann mag was reinstalled.
One of the guys found a starter off an old payloader that not only worked,but fit. That was also installed. (Bet the guy who used this back in the day would have liked that)
Took out the plugs for less resistance and spun it over a few times. We had put some oil in the cylinders before this, and once it started spinning it got easier and easier.
Well no chickens where we roost, so we put fuel in the float bowl of the carb and turned it over again. It fired, and we had a cloud of blue smoke so thick you couldn't see. Couldn't keep it running, but maybe next Monday.

Including some pics of brass tags also. I can't imagine 600 wt oil. Terrible reflection on one tag, I'll try for a better pic next week.
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Bud, I was finally able to get through to HCSA on Facebook. Thanks for the lead. See what happens.

Yesterday we took the driver platform off to get to the rusted out gas tank. This also allowed me to sneak a pic of the rear drive train. The center gear drives and the outer gears go to each rear wheel. Foreward of this is another shaft with a large and small gear. They are for the two speeds. We are trying to free up the shaft and the pivot at this time.

I've included pics of this and a better pic of the brass engine tag.
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Since last week was our Snow Show on Sat. and an ice storm was predicted for Sunday we decided to cancel the work day for Monday. That means yesterday was a start again day. In order to get to the bearing for the speed control we decided to take the air tank out that is used for the scarifers. Anyone who has ever tried to get a clawfoot bath tub out of a 1930's two story knows what we went through. It seemed as if the roller was built around the tank.

The tank wasn't that big, but quite heavy and mounted just behind the front roller. It almost seems as if there is a tank within a tank. It is about the size of a BBQ tank including the handles. The 1/2 in. pipes were rotted off so that helped a bit.

I've included some pics of the Worthington compressor and its tag. It ran off a flywheel with a flat belt. That pretty much shot the morning so the bearing is still stuck. Next week if I can spend some time with the tank I'll see what is up.

In the last photo just above the hammer head is a brass collar that is attached to a pivot arm which slides back and forth to change the high low speeds. (once we get the bearing free)
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Well, today was one of those days when progress was made, but you sure couldn't tell by looking. We disconnected the control rod from the driver's platform to the pivot arm which controls the shifter. The rod moved freely. On to the pivot arm - movement was there. The brass slide we saw last week, no movement. Heat then pound, heat then pound. Quarter inch. Drive it back and pound some more. After a bit it locked up. Study it a bit and find that the gear it was moving was not lined up with the one it had to mesh with so lets move some gears. Realize there is not one place that you can get to any of these parts without a 3 foot bar. Finally got it lined up so the teeth mesh. Pound a bit from each side.(now it is a three foot bar and a lead hammer) It is moving. Now we have 70 years of rust, grease and roofing debris (remember the collapsed garage roof) to get out of each tooth so the teeth can pass.

As I said progress was made. Just a 150 teeth more or less to still do. We shouldn't have as much trouble with the bottom teeth.

As far as the scarifier goes, the piston is a double action one and the gauge reads up to 300 lbs. The glass and needle on the gauge were broken at 150 lbs. That is probably in the ball park.

Still not running
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Hi Alan. You guys need parts for that compressor? I got a similar worthington from that era that’s still makes air. Do a swap or use it for parts. Let me know, I’ll bring it over. If I’m right, I believe the brass tag on mine reads model “V” size is 4.25 x 4
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Thanks, Fire. Ours is also making air but we are about 6 years from working on it.
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misread, was thinking there was a bad bearing. excuse me. carry on with the great work. Tell lester we asked about him.
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when your all finished with that roller, here is another u can tackle not far from the club.
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You can save that one for when you retire.
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Okay, today's episode is going to have to be done in two parts since I don't know how to do it one, and two is better than five.

In pic one you will see that we now have the slide mechanism able to move the entire width of the shaft. (almost) The back side of the shaft is in really pretty bad shape. We have room to either look at it or clean it. You just don't have room to do both. There is room for your head or shoulder. We need eyeballs on the end of our fingers. A more high tec workplace would have a mirror while we try to get a reflection from a shiny rock. The head room beneath the frame is about 10 inches, and that is with the front roller up on blocks.

Now this slide is connected to the gear cluster shown in the second pic. There are three gears in all that slide on a shaft and all the gears have a common key which locks them on the shaft. They can slide, but can't spin. Two of these gears are very close together as you can see then there is a third gear to the right which you can see in the one picture. The center gear is the largest while the other two get progressively smaller.

As they are moved from side to side they mesh with gears on a third shaft further back. You can see a bit of one those gears at the far right of the pic.

On to the next post.
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