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SX460 Voltage Regulator for Old Onan Generators


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Thank You the arcing at the brushes could be a concern they should be solid on the slip rings
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Here's the simplest version of the instructions that I can find:

http://www.dieselgeneratorsmiami.com...-REGULATOR.PDF

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Watch out for the 380V reference in that one - They're referring to the line-to-line voltage, but connect the regulator from line to neutral, so it sees 220V.

I had a link to Cummins' manual in my first post of this thread...
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Well now that the Hockey game is over I can go back to thinking about generators. I finally got around to installing the SX460 on my 12Kw DJC. Pretty darn simple removed the original VR board from the housing , put 5 ohm 25W resistor in series with the existing exciter breaker to bring the total up to the 17ohm range. Put the 110V jumper on the regulator in the indicated spot. Mounted the VR on a couple of straps in the original position. Connected it up to the original terminal connectors and were done. I adjusted the voltage fully clockwise as per instructions and fired up the gen . Works perfect , I measured 400Ma exciter current with a 1500W load on the gen, went up another 100Ma when I put another 1500W on load. I had 2 running gens but only 1 VR board , now they both work. I am ordering a spare as they are cheap enough to keep on hand. Thanks for everyones help. Cheers Dan
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I am looking into installing a sx460 into my 7.5 JB as well. My question is where to hook up the resistor to bring the field resistance down to the recommended level. I'm assuming from what I have rea in earlier posts that it is wired in series on either the F1 or F2 wire but unclear which one (or does it matter). Thanks
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It doesn't matter. But as pointed out it is also good to keep the field breaker as well - that just goes in series with the field resistor and field winding.
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Yes, good point Dennis. I will do that. Ordered the sx460 up tonite and a 5 ohm 25 watt resistor. Waiting on a few other parts and hopefully will have it running soon. Still hunting for a few items but I don't need it operational for a while.
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Recived my sx460 today. The directions are a tad unclear but I will try to explain what I think has to be done. My jb has 4 leads going to the voltage regulator and they are labeled : F1 , F2 , 1 , 2. On my picture I circled in pink where the F1 and F2 leads will go ( a resistor will be wired in series with the F1 lead. For the remaining 1 ,2 leads I believe they will go to the terminals circled in white. Sounds like on either the 1 or 2 lead a 5A 250V fuse should be wired in series. Any idea which lead should fuse should be on and which of the 2 terminals (circled in white) do the 1 and 2 wires lead to. Again all help is greatly appreciated.
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Default Re: SX460 Voltage Regulator for Old Onan Generators

Re post 21.Unles I am missing something, if this post is talking about replacing a VR for a generator which has slip rings and it is a JB, then the V & R values being discussed are incorrect.
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My mistake Leon. Rookie error I posted this under the wrong post.

Perhaps I mis understand the etiquette but I thought this was a thread for the sx460 voltage regulators.
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Recived my sx460 today. The directions are a tad unclear but I will try to explain what I think has to be done. My jb has 4 leads going to the voltage regulator and they are labeled : F1 , F2 , 1 , 2. On my picture I circled in pink where the F1 and F2 leads will go ( a resistor will be wired in series with the F1 lead. For the remaining 1 ,2 leads I believe they will go to the terminals circled in white. Sounds like on either the 1 or 2 lead a 5A 250V fuse should be wired in series. Any idea which lead should fuse should be on and which of the 2 terminals (circled in white) do the 1 and 2 wires lead to. Again all help is greatly appreciated.
No rookie error - you're fine. Not sure what Leon was getting at...

Put the fuse in whatever is the 'hot' wire. You might want to 'ohm' these two wires from your JB set out and see which one connects to neutral and which is 'hot'. These two wires basically carry 120V to your SX460. One is hot, the other isn't.

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...if this post is talking about replacing a VR for a generator which has slip rings ...
It's not. This thread pertains mainly to the YD sets. The SX460 isn't a suitable replacement for the slip ring sets, such as the magneciter, Leon.
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Default Re: SX460 Voltage Regulator for Old Onan Generators

terminals 1 and 2 supply 120 vac;you must add a jumper on the sx460 to operate at this voltage input,otherwhise its 240 volts sensing.
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I can test in the morning but do you recall which wire is hot ? (1 or 2). I'm waiting on parts to get the set running so I was hoping to start on the wiring tomorrow. Tricky (for me) to test if it's not outputting power. So far this has been a very interesting project. I'm clearly in over my head a bit but like the challenge as well. This site has been a savior to me, without it I'm sure the set would have been a mooring anchor by now.
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Did your set have a 'field breaker' in the control box?

(has the snow all melted yet up there in God's country?)
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To use the SX460 with the JB you will need one more jumper on the board than they supply. The two sets of upper jumpers will have to be shorted ie the one for 120-240 sensing and the one for remote voltage adjust as well. The lower jumper should be in the 60Hz position. So the 1-2 Jumper is installed and the 3-4 jumper is installed. It would appear on the diagram that they are recommending that the fuse or circuit breaker be installed on the wire going to pin 8. Cheers Dan
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Haha we still have some snow hanging around but bulk is gone now. Yes , the set does have the field breaker.

---------- Post added at 10:42:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36:01 PM ----------

Dan, thanks you clarified many of the questions I had now only one remains. Of the two wires (#1 and #2) on the set which one will go to 8? I apologize if my questions are basic and tedious but I tend to err on the safe side when possible.
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Given that it is AC Im not sure it makes a difference. If you really want to get technical you can measure the resistance to ground/neutral on both the 1 and 2 leads and take the one that has the higher resistance to connect to pin 8 through the fuse or circuit breaker. That is because the 1 and 2 leads are taken off the T1 and T2 stator windings. T2 should be connected to neutral which would make T1 the hot lead. Cheers Dan
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Thanks dan!!!!

---------- Post added at 11:55:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:52:34 PM ----------

I do intend to use the existing circuit breaker but would a fuse still be a good idea or is that just redundant?
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If the regulator is capable of 240 volt sensing, connecting it for such will result in considerably better regulation that is possible if connected for 120 volt sensing.
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Vanman, now that is getting a bit over my head. What would be the pros/cons to setting it up in that manner? I'm currently undecided on where I will use the set. I have two options, a remote hunting cabin which it would be used for 120v only (using only one leg of the ac output) or a possible backup for my home. For home use I would use both legs of the ac.
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