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Check out these clips on the restoration of a Sentinel Steam Lorry. Interesting bit of boiler work, cab building from a 30 ft piece of mahogany, and steaming in a snow storm! Watch for the LARGE Brasso can....

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi4o...e_gdata_player

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yThrz3M9zn0

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKKIsITmMuk

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjYI5qxGips

For those familiar with the series, who pick ups the bill? This wasn't cheap.

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---------- Post added at 05:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:09 PM ----------

Then they put a steam roller back together....

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waV0ToPi5GQ

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5awhc8kMSVc

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wrDNRVIn7I

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emtQAVq8O78
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..and now the "oldest steam plough in the world" - Fowler ploughing engine with sectional boiler fabrication named Margaret built in 1870:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtNCxtwP8E

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9M1zdxeY5s

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE9Mz_JHGh8

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S0lR7ra7-E
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These are long clips, but quite interesting. Too bad there aren't more shots of how the sectional boiler on the ploughing engine was put together. 600+ rivets, oh my!

It seems like there were some folks over here that had a similar idea, but it hadn't come together.
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Default Re: Salvage Squad Sentinel Steam Lorry, Steam Roller & Ploughing Engine

They also restored a German one man submarine that was captured during WWII. These subs were more lethal to their pilots than to the Allies. They actually found a German WWII veteran of this mini-sub fleet to witness their restoration efforts.

I love to watch old things brought back to life so I appreciate this series. There was one also about restoring a 1950s combine.
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Watched every bit of it last night! Maybe we can convince them to come here and tackle an American engine? Lots of old lumps out there that need it!

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Wow what a show! I just finished watching pieces from several shows.
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..and now the "oldest steam plough in the world" - Fowler ploughing engine with sectional boiler fabrication named Margaret built in 1870:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtNCxtwP8E

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9M1zdxeY5s

Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE9Mz_JHGh8

Part 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S0lR7ra7-E
Beth, theres nothing wront at all with the programme, nor the workmanship, but please take the billing of the ''oldest steam plough in the world'' with a pinch of salt.

The basis of the engine is question is a 12nominal horsepower Fowler ploughing engine dating from somewhere
around 1870.

But in the years between (in its working life) much modification has happened. Most significantly it was rebuilt using a new boiler and smokebox (of different design), likely a new tender and many other detail parts by the Oxfordshire Steam Plough company (engineers and ploughing contractors in their own right). I cannot quote a date without further research, though it will be recorded, but this will have happened probably pre WW1.

It is therefore considered that the front axle and wheels, rear wheels, the basic cylinder casting, motion and crankshaft and gears etc are circa 1870, but the rest newer.

More than this when initially preserved a younger works number was quoted, the current 'identity' is as a result of finding a different number on some of the parts during rebuild.

The reality is that when this machine was rebuilt, by an owner who then had a fleet of similar machines, it is very likely that they were built up on the new boilers using a mix and match of the availible and useable parts. So for argument sake 2 or more engines were being rebuilt simultaniously, so No1 may have got No2's wheels, and No3's cylinder etc etc.

Now then you may say, ''but its got parts off 1368 so its the oldest on record''

There exists another ploughing engine in the UK, again a rebuild of a venerable Fowler ploughing engine, this time by another contractor, Messrs Wilders of Wallingford, who were also engineers and contractors in direct competition to the aforementioned Oxfordshire Steam Plough company.

Wilders also rebuilt a number of early engines, but in 1927 they 'built' a 'new' engine incorporating many parts from an even earlier Fowler ploughing engine, it is considered this being 1190 (of 1869). But again Wilders had a big fleet and it would be no suprise that parts from a number of broken up machines were re-used. In effect the old parts were rebuilt onto a new boiler of Wilders design, much as Margaret (1368) was rebuilt onto an Oxford Steam Plough boiler. However the was a further difference in that Wilders fitted a new cylinder to their own piston valve design to '1190'

The Wilder has always been considered a Wilder, as they did it for thein own use. The Oxforshire Steam Plough company rebuilt engines for others, or even supplied parts for owners to rebuld themselves, nevertheless in my opinion, and it is one shared by many that the basic story of both machines is the same, as it is with all of the surviving ploughing engines of Fowler decent dating from pre 1880. And that given the uncertainty of the true identity of both these or any of the other early machines that in reality neither can really be considered to be 'the oldest'.
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Beth, theres nothing wront at all with the programme, nor the workmanship, but please take the billing of the ''oldest steam plough in the world'' with a pinch of salt.
Billy,

I was only quoting them. Yes, it is an "assembled" beast. One has to determine their version of "original." Just like the (re?)creation of the 150 Case. It isn't "original," but based on original, but modified blueprints.................what is it really? Bigger & better???

Neat clips though!

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My Reeves boiler will be going to these boiler makers very shortly. Just need to finish drilling and fitting the new tube plate. Andy and Richard will rivet it in and fit a new foundation ring.
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what is it really? Bigger & better???

Neat clips though!

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A bit like a Boyd Coddington '32 Ford but done in the teens or 20's.

Many of the components were of different design.
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The process was fun to watch, but still more work and planning than most will get to experience. The design of all of those parts took a lot of coordination.

Is the series still running and do they have any more steam projects in line?
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Hi All,
These were good shows and did a lot to promote the vintage machinery cause. However they do tend to make it all look very quick and easy.

There must be plenty of members here who know it's not quite that easy. You only have to look at the "New Parts for Old Engines thread".

Got to keep the young ones keen, as in the greater scheme of things, those that can are getting few and far between.

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..and now the "oldest steam plough in the world" - Fowler ploughing engine with sectional boiler fabrication named Margaret built in 1870:
Interesting to note that they didn't appear to drill the new stays....
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Tirediron,

All the more reason to understand their boiler designs. They have the crown stays also.

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Hi Beth,
My roller has treaded stays that go from the fire box crown to the outer wrapper. In my part of the uk we call these hanging stays. A bit of a job to get steam tight in the wrapper as the plate is curved where they come through. Our portable has girder stays fixed to the top of the fire box crown sheet, to make it self supporting. That's a useful bit of info, to impress your steam friends with

I remember drilling 60 or so 7/8" stay holes on my roller with a large hand held electric drill, in one day. This tool is affectionatly called "The gut buster" I think I was dreaming of the moment it broke through all that night.

25 years on would I do it again? You bet. The portable needs a new box, front tube plate, and a bit in the back head, plus anything else we find

Keep steaming,
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All the more reason to understand their boiler designs. They have the crown stays also.

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I meant they didn't center-drill them so that you can get an 'instant alert' when you break a stay-bolt.
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Tirediron,

Yes, I understood what you were referring to. Not everyone does that.

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Hi Tired Iron,
I've seen this done, but its not common over here in the uk. Probably why I missed your point.
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I've seen this done, but its not common over here in the uk. Probably why I missed your point.
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Fair enough!
It's very uncommon in the UK.

Iv'e got them on the throatplate of my boiler because with the belly tank in place you cannot access both ends to hammer test them.

I think remembering they knocked the stays over hot, over here it is about 50/50, many prefer to do them cold as they seem to seal first time and every time.

The hot method seems to want a bit of settling once in steam.
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