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Twin City 27-44 Restoration Started


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Old 10-19-2009, 01:04:16 AM
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Default Re: Twin City 27-44 Restoration Started

Thanks for the update Tony. That's going to be one bad-a$$ tractor when you finish it. Heck, it already is!

The old Twin-Disc clutches are a good example of the weird paradoxes you see in early tractor development. The clutch itself was great but why did the engineers always spec a single key on the shaft to drive it rather than a spline? I've seen this on several makes of tractors. That single key idea never did work very well. It took them a few years to figure that one out too.


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Old 10-19-2009, 10:00:57 PM
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Back again,
For big and little twin cam owners that have a lot of slack or play in the steering, once king pins, tie rods, or any sources of worn out parts have been fixed sometimes additional gains can be made by adjusting the steering gear plug located on bottom of gear.
Look at first photo of steering gear. Near bottom, outside area of gear there is a slotted set screw head threaded in the case. Loosen this set screw so you can turn big bottom plug in after you have positioned steering wheel in the "middle" of the slack or play area. Thread plug in gently untill you feel resistance, then try moving wheel back and forth again and see if you can gain more on the plug.
In worn gears, sometimes the bottom plug will begin to thread too far up into steering gear exposing some of the large threaded hole in gear case. If this is happening, the plug must be removed and a machinery washer or two can be placed on end of plug to make up for the end of the plug being worn off. Try adjusting again. Do not tighten tight, you just need to take the space or slack away.
These steering gears are lubed by a high level, or spill over hole in the side of main case. If the tractors get run to low on rear end grease for to long, the gear can starve for lube. if gear oil is up to filler plug, or full, the gear will be full also. If you must pull large bottom plug from gear, jack front of the tractor up six or eight inches to send lube to back of tractor and stop it from passing into gear and out onto floor while you have the plug out.

Second photo shows top cover removed to inspect final drive.
With tractor on blocks, everything was turned slowly and check out under bright light. I got no latteral movement by prying on the rather huge bull gear and some time was spent fishing around the bottom of rear end with an extendable magnet. No metal shavings or parts were found

Third photo shows top cover being fixed. This tractor sat outside for many years. I think this top cover was layered with rotting leaves because it suffered severe pitting, (the fenders & hood were completely rotted away).
Cover was blasted, perforations from the worst pits were welded shut. Rust treatment was applied and a skim coat of bondo was used to smooth things up a bit.

Fourth photo....The shifting quadrant had a chunk broken off and handle and fork pins were butchered by a former operator.
With these repairs completed, the top cover is back on for good

More to come.
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Old 10-20-2009, 07:03:11 PM
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More progress,
My good friend and fellow Twin City enthusiast Jim Anderson and I worked on and off for many months creating exact reproductions of the correct/original canopies for our 27-44's.
Here are some pictures of the test fit along with some reproduction fenders and new platform wood.
The whole works will come back off again to cover all sides of components with battleship gray now that everything has been fitted.
I have galvanized "ripple" tin for the roof also.
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Looks great Tony. I like the look of a canopy on these tractors. What size angle is used for the main frame?? Looks to be about 1 1/2 X 1 1/2 X 3/16.
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Old 10-21-2009, 02:04:19 AM
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Looking good Tony! Thanks for the pictures.
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Phil,
The angle iron is 2 inch.
You have expressed intrest in correct details of this project in Jim's Canopy thread (Jim has a correct 17-28 canopy repo as well).
You are welcome to contact us for detail questions in the future, or better yet stop in here for lunch and have a look for yourself
Jim and I started this whole canopy thing out of wanting one and realizing that several of the current existing examples are not correct. The one that passed through George Shaffs auction and the one at Bridgeport auction in the last couple years were well done, but not correct.

Jim and I had a grand adventure with this quest....
Lenghty road trip to document original...
Many hours recording details...
Jim purchased a 40 ton press for this project!...
Have you ever tried to bend angle iron?...

Personally, I would prefer not to go through this again,
but I could not have had a better partner to do it with
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Old 10-22-2009, 12:21:19 AM
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Thanks, Tony. You and Jim have done a very admirable job on the fabrication of those canopies. I'm impressed with your fabrication skills and yes, I have bent a fair bit of angle iron and channel section. I'm a steel fabricator and welder. Its easier if you have access to proper benders and rolls, but in many cases it can be done with simple jigs, a large torch and a lot of leverage!
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Hey Tony, Like the update on the 2744, nice to see it coming along. I had talked with you a little about it at the Dotzenrod auction. Looking forward to starting work on mine and need to locate a lifter. Also looking for cleat lugs, my insde row is missing on each wheel. Any help will be appreiated. That way I can start busting knuckles and cursing.
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Somethings take time.
After 6 months of soaking and trying to pull the rear wheel it was time to try something else. Pulled the axle with the wheel and put it in the press. Or should I say put the press in the wheel? The axle pressed out with about 24 tons of pressure. Now the 27-44 is wearing a set of the 28 inch wide road king wheels.
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(Here is a tip for people looking for new oilers.)
The No. 3 Bowen Oilers that are used to oil the rocker arm shafts on these Twin Cities can still be bought new. The Twin City parts book has them listed as part number TW2414. The 2'nd picture shows an old one and a new one.
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Henry Ford used them on his brass era Model T's for the drag rod clevis so some reproduction supply chains carry them.
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I have not yet picked up a parts manual for my T/C 12/20, so could somone tell me if those oilers (TW2414) would fit a 12/20

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Rick: They are listed in the 12-20 parts manual as TW 2414 and look the same as the ones shown on the picture of the 12-20 engine. They are much smaller and a completely different type than what is used on the 17-28. I also need them for my 'still in the old barn' 12-20 I'll have to check with George Moir in Stony Plain as they should have them in stock.

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I bought these oilers with some other TC parts at an auction a few years ago -- can somebody with a parts book tell me which model they are for? Most of the other parts were for the 12-20/17-28. It looks from the tag like these might be # TW 899A. Does this match up with anything? They have a flip top and a sort of string/rope that runs down from the inside and extends below the threads.

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Rick: Here is a page from a 17-28 parts book. It looks like this oiler was used from the start of the 12-20.
Phil: Your Welcome. If George Moir doesn't have them this is where I got mine. http://www.modeltford.com/item/3817.aspx
Bryan: It looks like your oilers were used on the late 17-28 tractors.
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Bryan; My '28 17-28 (25067) has that type of oiler. They held a lot more oil and the wick gradually fed the oil to the valve gear.
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Nice to know about those oilers because I would hate to have to hunt them down or make them.
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Got a few more details of the slow but sure resto on the big twin cam.
The only oil filter these machines have is a screen located at lower sump area in the pan. Inside the screen is an anti-collapsing coil spring. Water often collects in bottom of pan and will rust the spring to pieces inside the screen. These rusty spring pieces can get sucked through the oil pump, so I always tell folks to screw this filter fitting out of pan and have a look.
The screen is available through McMaster-Carr and fleet farm has the fitting and spring selection. I like to buy a nickle plated spring that is heavier than original and stretch it out a bit to make them longer as needed.
I use tinning paste and 60/40 solid wire to put these together with, just remember to keep moving along the screen. If you stall for too long, you will burn a hole through the screen.
The baby twin cams use the same setup
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A few more pictures,
Time to put the pan and flywheel on, here is a look at the twin cams going back in. this must be done with engine on its side because the lifters can slide all the way through their bores and end up caught inside the upper block where you can not get at them from outside
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Nice to see some more progress, Tony. thanks for the pics.

I've yet to pull the pan from the little TC and see what lurks in there!!
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Tony;
Nice job on canopy. I've seen the one G. Schaff had with welds in place of bent iron. Since you've developed a bending procedure, you should make and sell canopy iron kits ready to assemble. I have an original on the 20-35. I still need air cleaner.
You have a lot of good hints on working on these TCs. Thanks
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