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Indentifying a Field Brundage / Sattley


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There are quite a few threads on here about a Sattley throttle governed engine that looks pretty much like mine, except that mine is hit and miss governed.

The Webster magneto mount has the part number 303M9, which according to a post from the late Ted Brookover makes it "a 1 1/2 hp. Racine Sattley, or a 1 1/2 hp. Wolverine, or a 1 1/2 hp. Field and Brundage type W."

He continues, "The Spoke Flywheel Sattley's most comonly referred to as Racine Sattley, were built by the Field & Brundage company, they used both Battery Ignitors and Webster Magnetos, The 1 1/3 hp. used bracket number 303M9 with a M or AMM Webster Tri-Polar Mag, The 3 hp. and up engines used the 303K11 Braket with a K or L series Webster mag."

Since mine doesn't have a brass tag, I'd like to pin it down a bit further. The bearing cap castings are marked AK-3 and the governor side flywheel is marked AK-226. There is a fuel tank in the engine base. Bore is about 3-1/2 inches and stroke is about 4 inches. I found serial number 46761 on the crankshaft governor end, but the year might be elusive for lack of a list.

What is the horse power? What did the brass tag have on it? Is this a Field Brundage, a Racine Sattley or something in between?



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Default Re: Indentifying a Field Brundage / Sattley

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I think you have a 1 1/2 hp Field-Brundage. Take a look here at Jeff Allen's site. Look on page 6 of 1918 Sattley catalog for cut of 1 1/2 hp Sattley with spoked flywheels.
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That one on page 6 appears to have a raised square iip on the hopper. Mine is flat and oval. Thanks for that link - Ill look through more of it. It appears that the bore and stroke on that page is the same as mine, so it's 1-1/2 HP. My hopper and governor looks more like the one on the throttle governed engine:



So does that make it a Field Brundage and not a Sattley? I'd still like to get a look at a brass tag.
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Default Re: Indentifying a Field Brundage / Sattley

Where does SAMSCO fit in the Sattley Family? Richard Gambrell here on SMOKSTAK has a SAMSCO that is supposedly a SATTLEY sold by San Antonio...something or other...Company. His was missing a few parts, including the governor, so how can you tell if it was a throttler or hit-n-miss?
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Here is a 1 1/2 HP Field Brundage





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Close, but mine has a flat oval hopper opening and a Webster.

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so how can you tell if it was a throttler or hit-n-miss?
The hit and miss has a simple mixer on the intake and the throttler has a full blown carburetor.
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Hello Harry and all,

I think it may be a Nelson Brothers, type in Jumbo in search the drop down to Bill Brocks post. Also look at other Jumbo or Nelson posts, they made several variations. Your flywheel looks like the mold had a plug where the built in crank could have gone.

Kevin I don't think SAMSCO has anything to do with Sattley. However Nelson Brothers made many SAMSCO engines, and other names too.

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It is not a Nelson Bros.
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Default Re: Indentifying a Field Brundage / Sattley

Harry, I doubt that it is a Field-Brundage either. Remember, Sattley was a trade name used by Montgomery-Ward, just as Economy was by Sears-Roebuck. The engines were contracted for and built by different manufacturers at different times. Al Wait
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Harry, it looks very much like a 1 1/2 HP FB Sattley, one made near the very end production at the Jackson plant. It seems to me at the very end of production they made these with solid flywheels and Wico mags, this one is before that, yet has the weights on the outside of the flywheel. The registry stops at#44030 Production stopped about 1924.
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