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Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—Information Wanted


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Old 03-28-2010, 09:45:27 AM
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Default Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—Information Wanted

Myself together with a couple other “hot air heads” are working on a detailed history of Alexander Rider, the Rider Engine Co. (1872?-96) and its successor the Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. (1896-1939). I’ve been gathering historical records from many sources and am also working with local historians in Walden, NY where the works for both companies were located. While we have most of the common Rider and R-E reprinted catalogs, we’re also interesting in any old literature, letters, or other materials related to the companies. In particular we’re looking for old photographs of company founders or officers including William Sayer Sr. and William Sayer Jr. or any photos from the factory during its heyday. We do have images of Alexander Rider, Cornelius DeLamater, and John Ericsson. Any assistance will be gratefully acknowledged in the final publication.

Besides the histories, we are also compiling a list or registry of Rider and Rider-Ericsson engine serial numbers together with other data usually found on the maker’s plates. The registry will be used to more precisely determine the date of manufacture. Personal information about the owner of the engine or its location will not be published. Buster Brown, a frequent contributor to this forum, is collaborating with me on this. I have most of the numbers for engines that have been at the major regional and international hot air engine shows including those in Arizona, California, and the one last year in Kansas. I’m sure there are many that we’ve missed however. If you have an engine and would be so kind as to provide the serial no., nameplate info., size, and type, we would be much obliged. Thanks!
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

Brent, This is what is on the tag of my hot air engine line-for-line. I don't know why it had 2 patent dates that were exactly the same. The engine has curved spoke flywheels and round legs. John Wall

IMPROVED ERICSSON HOT-AIR
PUMPING ENGINE
8 INCH No 14202
PATENTED
NOV. 27, 1888 NOV. 27, 1888
JUNE 18, 1889 June 4, 1895
BUILT BY
RIDER-ERICSSON ENGINE CO.
NEW YORK CHICAGO
PHILADELPHIA BOSTON
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

Here is the info off of my engine (curved spoke flywheel) --
Ray Rice


IMPROVED ERICSSON HOT-AIR
PUMPING ENGINE
6 INCH No 12789
PATENTED
NOV. 27, 1888 NOV. 27, 1888
JUNE 18, 1889 June 4, 1895
BUILT BY
RIDER-ERICSSON ENGINE CO.
NEW YORK CHICAGO
PHILADELPHIA BOSTON
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

Respondants should point out whether they own the later "bracket" leg ("improved" ericsson) or the earlier "pipe" leg (which I believe goes with the Delamater engines?)

Mebbe others who are more into Rider/ericsson can suggest other known variations we should be tracking in "type study?"

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Old 04-07-2010, 12:45:17 PM
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

That information helps determine when they made changes . Also needed is type of flywheel straight spoke or curved spoke .along with serial numbers help to determine .what year they made changes . Also what fire Box . square or round .. The round being the gas burner.... Also if anyone has a Ericsson engine with a air pump attached to walking beam pictures of that would help ..If you have any Questions feel free to contact Myself or Brent . Thanks for your help Buster
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

Thanks Buster and everyone for your contributions. I'll add this info to the registry. The reason there are two identical patent dates is that there were two different patents granted on the same day. The patent office only granted them on certain days of the week so there can be hundreds of patents listed for those days. Also, the bar type legs were not only on DeLamater engines but also on some earlier Rider-Ericsson engines. It's confusing because later ads used drawings of the earlier type engines.
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

Brent, I have a 6" Ericsson hot air engine serial # 20509. It has the later style legs, no brass bearings or linkages. If you need more info please let me know. Keith.
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My engine is a 5 Inch Improved Ericsson Hot Air Pumping Engine, it's a 1907 Model, Serial Number: 16759. All this information is on the name plate and I've had the date confirmed by a guy in USA. Enclosed is a few photo's of my engine. I bought this engine from Queensland, Australia and imported into Wellington, New Zealand. Regards from Geoff.
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would it be possible to get A better picture of front of fire Box ??? also linkage on top of pistons ?? Thanks for info Buster
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Hi Buster my fire box is not an original one I'm sorry. The engine is stored 130kms away from where I live. Next time when I'm up there I'll take some photo's for you. Regards from Geoff.
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Brent, I’m really glad to hear you guys are getting your notes together; a good history on Rider would be a big resource for collectors & researchers. I know most of us are familiar with his engines but not really knowledgeable into the details of their history.

Sorry I don’t have any notes to add that you probably don’t already have but good luck on the project & keep us updated on your progress & when something is available,

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Thanks Nick,
I'm working on short histories of DeLamater, Rider Engine Co., and the Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. to be published in Bores & Strokes for the June 2017 Coolspring show. Still trying to finish transcription of 300 pages of Alexander Rider's handwritten technical journals.
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Default Re: Rider Engine Co. and Rider-Ericsson Engine Co. histories—INFORMATION WANTED

There is a Rider engine on display at the museum in Clinton, NJ.

I don't remember the name of the museum but it is in the old red mill along the river. Anyone in the area should be able to give you contact info, the town is not very big.
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I've phoned the Red Mill museum there a couple times but so far no one has picked up. Also left messages. Does anyone live near there who could go visit? Thanks.
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Brent , I'm about 45min from the museum. if I get down that way in the near future, I will stop by for serial number and pics
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