Antique Engines and Old Iron
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Vintage Electrical Equipment > Generators & Electric Motors General Discussion > Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Isuszu Generators
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Isuszu Generators Restoring, maintaining and operating Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Isuszu, and clones.

Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Isuszu Generators

Em6500sx won't start in cold weather


this thread has 65 replies and has been viewed 10921 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old 11-14-2013, 04:27:38 PM
YellowLister YellowLister is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Key Largo, Florida
Posts: 4,569
Thanks: 2,560
Thanked 2,471 Times in 1,545 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

wow.. whats up with your Honda dealer.. u can test the spark by taking the plug out and hooking the plug wire up to the plug and let it sit against the valve cover or something metal and pull it over see if u get a blue spark.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to YellowLister For This Post:
Sponsored Links
  #32  
Old 11-14-2013, 05:13:03 PM
Rainayeh Rainayeh is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Lanark Ontario
Posts: 23
Thanks: 38
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

I just watched a YouTube video about testing the spark, the person was using a knock off honda generator but looked very similar. I will try it this weekend and if it is the ignition coil, hopefully my dealer can get me a new one.
I am wondering of it is the ignition coil, why would it start once in a while like it did last week a couple of times then stop,again .
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-14-2013, 06:37:25 PM
Graycenphil Graycenphil is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Eastford, Connecticut
Posts: 866
Thanks: 634
Thanked 176 Times in 135 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

It is sounding more like a bad low oil sensor, or possibly a bad ignition switch. Ignition module is possible, but less likely. The Honda dealer is sounding worse.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Graycenphil For This Post:
  #34  
Old 11-14-2013, 06:47:17 PM
Rainayeh Rainayeh is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Lanark Ontario
Posts: 23
Thanks: 38
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

I don't think it's the oil sensor, I disconnected the sensor cable, it had no effect.
I am puzzled to say the least, since it did start a few times last week after I changed the oil and fuel, that should eliminate many things. But as it is now, back to square one.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-14-2013, 07:00:05 PM
BlkBeard BlkBeard is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Bridgeport, Connecticut, USA
Posts: 515
Thanks: 241
Thanked 215 Times in 156 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainayeh View Post
I don't think it's the oil sensor, I disconnected the sensor cable, it had no effect.
I am puzzled to say the least, since it did start a few times last week after I changed the oil and fuel, that should eliminate many things. But as it is now, back to square one.
Maybe you should start a new thread and see if there's another Stak member close to you who has a bit more knowledge. you might be able to meet up with him/her and they could help you with the diagnostics/repair. look on ebay at spark testers. even if you don't buy one on there, it's a quick reference of the types available
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to BlkBeard For This Post:
  #36  
Old 11-14-2013, 07:02:06 PM
Kevin K Kevin K is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: upstate New York USA
Posts: 3,934
Thanks: 3,615
Thanked 4,104 Times in 2,154 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

An inline spark tester is a tool you put in series with the spark plug, and watch for a flash (bulb type) or spark (gap type) when you crank the engine. It's the first test I do for a no start, because it quickly gives a go/ no go for the ignition system. Anyone working with engines should have one of each type.

Lamp type:
http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-20610-Inline-Spark-Tester/dp/B0002STSC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1384469639&sr=8-1&keywords=spark+tester

Gap type:
http://www.amazon.com/Thexton-THE404-Spark-Tester/dp/B0002STSBM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1384469775&sr=8-2&keywords=spark+tester
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kevin K For This Post:
  #37  
Old 11-14-2013, 08:38:03 PM
Graycenphil Graycenphil is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Eastford, Connecticut
Posts: 866
Thanks: 634
Thanked 176 Times in 135 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

If you tried it with the oil switch disconnected, that should rule that out. It does sound like something loose or making an intermittant connection. I'm afraid your dealer will just start replacing parts, at your expense, hoping to find what is wrong.

BTW, does anyone know for sure that disconnecting the oil pressure sensor on this engine will allow it to start? Is it possible you have to hotwire the switch instead? Robert@Honda, maybe?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Graycenphil For This Post:
  #38  
Old 11-15-2013, 10:59:42 AM
robertathonda robertathonda is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Alpharetta, Georgia
Posts: 266
Thanks: 26
Thanked 189 Times in 122 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

Doubtful it has anything to do with Oil Alert, since it does start sometimes. If the oil level were too low, it would never start.

My money is on the choke or carburetor, both of which can be picky about temps and starting (or not).

As mentioned before, the choke on this model is a bit complex, so any one part not working 100% would cause hard starting, especially a cold start.

-Robert@Honda
Caveat: I work for Honda, but the preceding is my opinion alone.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to robertathonda For This Post:
  #39  
Old 11-16-2013, 07:28:58 PM
Rainayeh Rainayeh is offline
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Lanark Ontario
Posts: 23
Thanks: 38
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

Warm weather here today, unfortunately didn't help, won't start.
As it could be a choke problem, I see no way I can fix it without taking to a specialist. Hope for a quiet winter so I don't need it . Thanx folks.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 11-16-2013, 09:22:29 PM
powerking powerking is offline
Registered-I
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Stratford, Connecticut
Posts: 114
Thanks: 151
Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts
Default Re: Em6500sx won't start in cold weather

We've all given you plenty of things to try and look for, like myself and others have mentioned, you need to rule out certain things and be your own "tech" rather than bringing it to a dealer. spark testers should be available at your local auto parts store for a few dollars...get one..and rule out the ignition system
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to powerking For This Post:
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Generators in cold weather. alfieepstein Generators & Electric Motors General Discussion 17 05-05-2013 01:34:04 PM
Onan Emerald I will only stay started in cold weather with "START" held down onangeneratorhelp Onan Generators 5 10-23-2010 01:14:40 AM
Cold weather test Jeffw5555 Onan Generators 11 01-14-2010 10:04:23 AM
Onan DJE is REALLY hard to start in COLD weather ichudov Onan Generators 13 02-25-2007 08:17:56 PM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:34:34 PM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2016 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277