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Default Keck Gonnerman Q & A

Since there has been some questions on Keck engines in another thread, I thought I would just start a KGC thread and anyone can comment, ask questions, give answers, post pictures, etc. re. KGC.
Chuck, here is the info you requested. Instead of e-mailing this to you I just posted here. Hope this turns out.
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OK, that worked. I forgot to say Chuck, that the 25 horse Keck engines were made for about 10 to 15 years from about 1905 to 1915. They only made few, less than a dozen. Some of these were stationary skid engines. The above specs. are from a 1915 catalog and they still list the 25 horse. At one time, Steve Dunn from OK was doing research on the whereabouts of any 25 horse Kecks. He came up empty handed. I have been seeking any 20 horse DSGs Kecks to no avail, as I fear they too are extinct.
If anyone has any info. on Keck Gonnerman equipment, re. serial numbers, pics., etc. please put it here on this post. Thanks.
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The thumbnail attachment is the late Al Johnson's 1930 19 H.P. Keck-Gonnerman 2-cylinder steam traction engine at the Lake Itasca Region Pioneer Farmers Inc. threshing show held at the fairgrounds in Bagley, Minnesota.
Al bought the Keck-Gonnerman from someone in Ohio in the early to mid-70's. Al said, it was the 3rd to the last steam traction engine Keck-Gonnerman built, and the last 2-cylinder.
A person from the Twin Cities was running the Keck-Gonnerman most of the time at the show, and had gotten the governor out of adjustment. The reason I remember that, every once in awhile I'd see Al, and he'd remind me how he was going to steam it up at home, and he wanted me to help him get it tuned in again. Unfortunately he never got around to it!
Al's son, Alan & I ran the Keck-Gonnerman through the tractor pull, then loaded it on a lowboy for it's journey home.
Al sold the Keck-Gonnerman to someone in Canada shortly before his death. I hope someone can add more to this story, as I can't remember it's Eng. No., who Al bought it from, or whom he sold it to?
This traction engine was in like new condition. For some reason it never seen much service since it was manufactured!
You probably seen the Keck-Gonnerman photos I posted earlier . . . memory . . . might be in the Wood Bros. thread?
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I scanned off a newspaper clipping I found in an old scrapbook of Al Johnson's Keck-Gonnerman at the show. That's Al with the poke-a-dot cap leaning against the water tank, and his son, Alan at the throttle.
The boiler had been laid up with oil inside of it, and even though it'd been washed out, it was priming badly at the show.
If I remember correctly, it had a round bottom firebox like the Baker, but only one handhole on the entire boiler?
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Kecks didn't come to Montana in any great numbers. I am submitting a picture of a double Chady Atteberry used to own, showing he and his daughter Beverly several years ago.
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This is one of my Grandfather's engines. a 22 double rear mount, serial number 1696. I don't know how common it is but there is a butt strap on the steam dome. The engine carries 150psi. and made a little over 100 horse on the brake! The keck engines are one of my favorite engines.
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This is a great thread. It is nice to learn more about the different brands of engines - this Forum at its best! The chart in the first post is especially helpful with all those stats. Just wondering, did Keck make any compound engines?
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Just wondering, did Keck make any compound engines?
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Not that I'm aware of. All Keck Gonnerman engines were simple singles or doubles as for as I know.
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Kecks didn't come to Montana in any great numbers.
Well there weren't great numbers of K-G made. I am constantly amazed at how far the engines made it from this rather small maker. I am from Mt.Vernon IN. A couple of sumeers ago I traveled to the Darke Co. Show in Greenville OH in hopes of seeing some Huber engines in operation since the show was only about 100mi from the home of Huber, Marion, OH. I didn't get to see any Hubers but there was a Keck and last year 2 Kecks!
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Here is a pic of 1584 belted to an KG Indiana Special Thresher. It is a 20HP DRG. Has a bad case of Keckitis right now. One neat feature is that we have the original oil can KG provided with the engine - stamped with the buyers name on it

On a side note regarding boilers - with all the boiler talk going on - one thing to consider is getting together with owners of the same make of engines. and devise a scheme to build new boilers for them. Just with any manufacturing the more you can build of a design, the cheaper to cost per unit in general. The initial design work is the killer - once you have that material is the cheap part. It seems with KG one design fit several models of engines
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Kecks didn't come to Montana in any great numbers. QUOTE]
Well there weren't great numbers of K-G made. I am constantly amazed at how far the engines made it from this rather small maker. I am from Mt.Vernon IN.
Andy,
I think the reason was due to their size, not their quality. Any Keck owner I have ever talked to loved their Keck.

I think I could come up with well over a hundred examples of Reeves engines from Columbus, Indiana having been here, including 16 examples of the Big Forty. The difference being not in quality, but in size. Most of our Reeves engines seemed to be 32 hp, with 25 coming in second and the Big forty coming in third. Since Keck didn't build in these sizes was likely the reason we didnt' see them?
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OK, that worked. I forgot to say Chuck, that the 25 horse Keck engines were made for about 10 to 15 years from about 1905 to 1915. They only made few, less than a dozen. Some of these were stationary skid engines. The above specs. are from a 1915 catalog and they still list the 25 horse. At one time, Steve Dunn from OK was doing research on the whereabouts of any 25 horse Kecks. He came up empty handed. I have been seeking any 20 horse DSGs Kecks to no avail, as I fear they too are extinct.
If anyone has any info. on Keck Gonnerman equipment, re. serial numbers, pics., etc. please put it here on this post. Thanks.
Tom
I have copy of a list of Kecks that was put together in 1990 By Larry Gaertner--The latest number known to him was #1883--the last dbl cyl that he was aware of was 1875-(a 22HP). He does not give the year built for any of them. I have copies of some orig. paperwork for #1808--a 22 dbl rear mount--built in 1926. The list I mentioned above is 12 pages long and I do not have the needed equipment to post it, but would be happy to look up things on the list for you if that'd help?
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If I ever knew, I have forgotten, is there a legend,story behind the mascot on the smokebox on K-G engines?
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Thanks for the offer Chuck but I have Larry's list also, and I am currently trying to update and add to it. So far I have about a dozen additional engines to add to the list. Also the last Keck engine buit was 1874, a 19 horse on a 22 boiler. We do know 1873 is still around. I'm still not 100% satisfied that 1874 was the last engine though. There were engines that appear to have built later with a lower number, but that's another story for another time. If there are any numbers greater than 1874, they are rebuild numbers. 1875 was sent back to the shop, overhauled and renumbered. I've got the original number, that I will have to look up later. I also have, I'll just say, SEVERAL copies of Keck Gonnerman Record Sheets that I use for my personal use. Please, don't ask how ...
Half Keck, I have asked EVERYONE even remotely associated with Keck Gonnerman that very question and no one knew the answer. Morris Metzger once told me he heard that because the pony was running, that Kecks were "always running" IE. working. As for as the gal on the pony/horse and the history behind the logo, I don't know.
Also, did you know that the very early Keck Gonnermans had the wording "Keck Gonnerman & Co." on their smkoke box doors? And that the little Kecks, IE. 14, 13, 10 horse tractions had the lettering in straight lines instead of around the edge of the door? Next time your're here at the farm, check out the 14 horse door on the wall in the shop. Maybe I can post a pic. here later.
Man, you and your question...
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HalfKeck, I have your door picture but you will have to wait until tomarrow so I can use my work computor and crop the pic. The Keck Gonnerman lettering is still around the door edge but the & Co., Mt. Vernon, Ind. is blocked. Kinda like the bigger doors but little more distinct
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KGC1615,
I have jotted down a few K-G numbers if they were NOT on Gaertner's 1990 list. Contact me for more info if you do not already have: 1359, 1313, 1292, 1011, 1584, 1837
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HalfKeck, here is the picture of the smaller KGC door. Keck Gonnerman is still around the edges but the rest of the lettering is straight. I guess it is a obtical illusion that it is more prominent than the big door because it has the "&" in it. Second pic. is for our Canadian friends.
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If I ever knew, I have forgotten, is there a legend,story behind the mascot on the smokebox on K-G engines?
I always heard it was one of two things:

1) It was the mechanic running to town to get repair parts

2) It was someone running away hollering, "Head for the hills! She's about to blow!"

Of course, both of these were told in jest....

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KGC1615,
I have jotted down a few K-G numbers if they were NOT on Gaertner's 1990 list. Contact me for more info if you do not already have: 1359, 1313, 1292, 1011, 1584, 1837
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Chuck, if you would, please send me the info. you have on those numbers. Either on or off post. I'm really curious about #1011, as to where she is.
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Have you any thoughts on how some engines were round spoke, some were flat spoke? Was that an option that the buyer specified? I have never seen a flat spoke side mount, were there any? And finally, how many flat spoke single rear mounts would you guess still survive? I think that I have only heard of two or three. KG1615, I think I may have left an engine in your yard, when it is finished, can you call me so I can bring it home?
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