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Keck Gonnerman for sale


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Old 11-09-2010, 06:48:44 PM
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There is a 1922 KG for sale in North Vernon In. Phone # 812- 592-2130. It is a 1771.Web site is www.binghamfarmmachinery.com
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Generally, advertisements are not allowed in the forums, but I'm guessing there isn't a connection between Bingham Machinery & Don.

What does make me curious though is the detailed description:

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6 side walls, new fire grates, ultrasound tested 5 years ago, never been certified.

One Owner Illinois
New Tubes 20 years ago
Original papers and bill of sale
blow out plug has never been blwon out (machine has never been hot)
What are "6 side walls"? "Blow out plug has never been blwon out (machine has never been hot)" Um, Ok, are they talking about the soft plug or a blow down? Gee, if the machine was never "hot," how did they produce steam?

If it was ultra sounded, could there be a reason that it was not "certified?"

Sounds like a project engine for someone. I hope it finds a good home here in the US.

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Generally, advertisements are not allowed in the forums, but I'm guessing there isn't a connection between Bingham Machinery & Don.

What does make me curious though is the detailed description:



What are "6 side walls"?
wet bottom firebox?
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Old 11-10-2010, 04:10:29 AM
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"Blow out plug has never been blwon out (machine has never been hot)"
I have a feeling they're referring to the fusible plug. I'd sure hope it hadn't ever been blown out...
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:06:23 AM
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Hi Guys,
There is a lovely little portable in Belguim that was found in it's original packing crate. I think its about a 4 horse Ransomes. You can still see the hammer marks on the rivets, on the faces of the tyres.
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Boogie,

You may have hit upon the solution! I've never heard of a firebox being described as such....but then again, I learn something new every day.

Eric,

Soft/fusible plugs are made to melt which while not a preferred water monitoring method, is what they are designed to do.

KGB,

What is the skinny on this engine? Will the KGB add a new member or just another engine to your stables?

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Maybe some of the local stakers in the south east corner of Indiana could check this out and fill us in on it and answer some ???s. (Attention---Osgood and Brookville guys)
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Beth,

If you could give me a interest free loan with deferred payments, I could bring that one home and provide you with all the information you seek... :0
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Travis,

I'll set you right up!

This would increase your collection to 1/2 scale, 16 & now an 18! The 160 is next!

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Eric,

Soft/fusible plugs are made to melt which while not a preferred water monitoring method, is what they are designed to do.
Beth, I know that. The problem I have is that someone running the engine was that careless! Because of that, if I was the buyer, I'd expect an engine with a blown plug could have a host of hidden issues, and would warrant VERY stringent and careful inspection.
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Hi Guys,
There is a lovely little portable in Belguim that was found in it's original packing crate. I think its about a 4 horse Ransomes. You can still see the hammer marks on the rivets, on the faces of the tyres.
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Sorry guys try Robey but still very nice. All the corners were still sharp, not had 40 years of cleaning then 30 of neglect.

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Beth, I know that. The problem I have is that someone running the engine was that careless! Because of that, if I was the buyer, I'd expect an engine with a blown plug could have a host of hidden issues, and would warrant VERY stringent and careful inspection.
Sounds like the soft plug thread needs to return. Blown or melted soft plugs can be an indication of poor water management, but not always. They can melt for a number of reasons which do not lead to catastrophic events.

But, back to this engine. The fact that the soft plug is apparently still intact means nothing. It should have been replaced on a regular basis anyway. The ultrasound results mean more than this item.

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Sorry guys try Robey but still very nice. All the corners were still sharp, not had 40 years of cleaning then 30 of neglect.

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Fred,

Robey or Ransomes, either would be fun!

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Some manufactures soft/fusible plug are not made for steam engine boiler. Most brand plugs are used for the refrigeration.
Bruce Babcock has determined a certain manufactured fusible plug that would be best for fired boiler. I can't remember
which manufacture that I saw a book at steam school.
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Sorry guys try Robey but still very nice. All the corners were still sharp, not had 40 years of cleaning then 30 of neglect.

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Fred, do you have any more info on this, and can I ask where you found out about it? Is it still in Belgium?

All the best

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Old 11-16-2010, 09:04:29 AM
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Hi David,
Spoke to my mate and he said that was about 20 years age, we were over there. Where's all that the time go It was at the Maldegem Steam Centre. Not sure if it belonged to the Centre, or was privately owned.

http://www.stoomcentrum.be/EN/indexEN.html

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I went and u t this engine the bottom of front fule sheet is gone and fire box is thin all over plug in bottom of wet bottom is welded in. The papers that he has is copy that u get in new harmony in. Its an. Eighteen horse the paper he has says its A TWENTEY TWO BUT ITS AN EIGHTEEN
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Anybody know where it came from, who owned it, a little history or if it was ever at a show or anything else of interest?

It looks like its been in storage on a farm or in some dusty old barn for quite a while but also appears that it had been redone/dressed up pretty nicely at some time in the past.
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Its been a rushville Ind show and that area for many years.
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I went and u t this engine the bottom of front fule sheet is gone and fire box is thin all over plug in bottom of wet bottom is welded in. The papers that he has is copy that u get in new harmony in. Its an. Eighteen horse the paper he has says its A TWENTEY TWO BUT ITS AN EIGHTEEN
Thanks for the report on this one Dean. I was trying to figure out how a high numbered engine could be an 18 hp. Your comment about the 22hp register page tells me that this engine must have been rebuilt and renumbered at Keck Gonnerman. No easy way to tell what the original number was unless it still has the original canopy.
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Has the seller seen the thread on that "UK Burrell" that sold?
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