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'56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140


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Default '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

I've crossed over from the steam engine side to this side in search of information.

We just pulled my Dad's '56 International 4WD Brush truck series S-140 out of the barn. Dad never did much with it because the brakes are a problem.....doesn't have any!

It used to be the brush/water truck for the local fire department. It even has a working winch on the front! Dad had it physically restored to perfection, but the brakes never played along.

Might someone have an owner's manual for it or a good supply of brake information?

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very nice truck beth
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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

One solution: A short chain and an big anchor!

Seriously though, ( Why do folks start laughing when that line is used?) What happens to the brakes? Does the master cylinder lose it's fluid? If so, does it have any vaccuum assist on the brakes? If so, a bad diaphragm in the booster will allow the engine to suck the fluid from the reservoir into the engine and burn it off.
If it doesn't have any power assist, which I suspect, and you know there're no leaks anywhere, did whomever overhauled the brakes get them bled right? Are the cups in the master cylinder installed correctly (Don't ask how I found this out on an old R-100 I did the brakes on).
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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

Hi Monte!

I should have known you'd be in on this!

We just brought it home today. I've got to revisit the subject with my brother who was around when they were trying to fix the blasted things. Rol said something about they just couldn't make the rebuild work??

Since my hubby doesn't care for steam engines , this is the next best thing. He really admired my Dad's truck collection and wants to see them well cared for. This is his project....plus it will be a nice self propelled "water wagon" for my Port Huron!

I'll keep you up to date!

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I overhauled the master cylinder on a '54 R-100 a few years back. The rebuild went fairly well, but one wheel cylinder leaked some, which allowed air to come back into the system. This did not render the brakes totally useless, but it gave them a spongy feeling sometimes. You just drove carefully on icy roads!
I'm interested to find out what's really wrong.
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Monte,

As soon as Barney gets into it, I'll let you know. We had more rain today, so I don't think he'll be moving dirt tomorrow.

Our good mechanic was working on it for Dad & he could always fix anything! That is what has us puzzled. Barney already has plans to call some people which is why any & all information we can glean is important.

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Beth,
I had an L120 3/4 ton long bed, it was the the 108th of the type, a 1950 title, but actually built in 1949. The S/N was F-9108 During the 12 years I owned it I had the following recurring problems: 1)master cylinder failure. I rebuilt it 3 times, after which IHC no longer had rebuild kits available, and it was replaced by 3 NOS units. Both the rebuilds, and the new units would work for about 2 years, and then would leak past the front cup. probable cause of failure - location. the cylinder was in a place where it would recieve road splash from the left front wheel, allowing road grit and salt to attack the flimsy rubber boot. 2)rusting out steel brake lines. The entire set were replaced twice. Cause of failure - proximity to frame, the lines were exposed to all weather, and did not dry off quickly.3)rubber brake hoses. all 3 were replaced 4 times Cause of failure - cracks in rubber. Normal wear and tear. 4)shoes and drums Replaced 5 times, during the time I owned the truck. Normal wear and tear. The truck had 49,000 miles on it when purchased, and I added 250,000+ albiet with a replacement engine and trans. It was scrapped due to extensive front end damage, due to high speed collision caused by catastrophic master cylinder failure (new (3 weeks old)cylinder blew all seals during a panic stop condition) IE - I stomped on the brakes, and the pedal went right to the floor-and stayed there
The S series was the 4 wheel drive version of the L. The 140, should be the 1 ton version Check the condition of the wheel cylinders as well as the master. If any are bad, REPLACE ALL Introducing fresh fluid into old cylenders is bound to produce leaks in the near future. I talk from experiance
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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

Thanks Andrew!

I knew there are people out there with practical experience. Dad had a soft spot for the truck and wanted to bring it back to life.

I'll give that info to my husband & see what he comes up with. He also plans to touch base with George Mitchell-the IH truck dealer in Perrysburg, OH. George has quite the IH collection.

It doesn't sound like you had a great experience with yours, but you did keep it a LONG time! I have to look at this one, but it doesn't have many miles on it since it belonged to a fire department for most of its life.

Naive question: Why is the drive shaft and the rear end located off center & to the right? I just noticed that when we unloaded it (THAT was a trip with NO brakes!...sure am glad the hubby was behind me with the backhoe to hold it back!) I've attached a picture of it on the trailer right after we loaded it.

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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

that is such a cute truck!!

seriously tho, there might not be too much wrong.. usually evidence of what is wrong is very visible, u only have to take it apart and look. hope someone finds u an instruction book!


good luck, it looks like a lot of fun to drive, too.

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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

The reason for the driveshaft coming off at such a strange angle is because when the 4WD was added, ( The 4WD is actually a jobber unit added on) The drive shaft comes off of the drop box now, instead of directly off the back of the transmission.
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