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'56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140


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Someone mentioned oldihc.com
There is also http://oldihc.org which is a site very much like this one, but for all IHC trucks. (thanks Harry)
Some very knowledgable folks over there. Check them out if you haven't!!
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Quick update...haven't done anything to it, but wash it.

While it is NOT for sale and will not be, my Mom should have a value for the insurance. What do you think? Dad had it meticulously restored and my husband put a steel flat bed on it. The winch works.

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If the brakes are International we got wheel cylinders for my wife's 1955 from NAPA. Some time later the pedal went to the floor. Turned out the gasket on the master cylinder failed and the fluid evaporated or otherwise got out. With a new gasket they worked fine.

Binderbooks had manuals and Vintage Truck Magazine has good advertisers. We sold her truck with all the contact info but do a Google search for International pickup forums - there's a good one.
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I don't know if it was mentioned, ( I didn't read all the posts), but if the bore on the master cylinder and wheel cylinders are not in good shape, the rebuild isn't going to last. There are people who sleeve wheel and master cylinders. You might want to try that.
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Nice truck Beth! I don't think I have seen this thread before.

My dad put alot of miles on the old 50's IH 4x4's they had 3 of them with drilling rigs mounted on them. I can not remember what size they were, I'm pretty sure one was a L-180. My dad always said they were good trucks but they were a little to light duty in the mud for the weight of the drilling rigs. If you were burried in the mud and let the clutch out a little to fast they would snap an axle.

The fourth drilling rig was on a 1957 Ford F-700 4x4, that one was his favorite truck. He said it was heavy enough that you did not have to worry about breaking axles. All the years he used it he never had any trouble.

This reminds me of your dad restoring the IH. I was able to buy the 57 Ford and restored it. I was glad my dad got to see his favorite truck restored before he died. I don't blame you for not selling the IH, I don't think I would ever sell mine either.
Now speaking of brakes I just noticed the other day the right front wheel on the 57 looks like its leaking break fluid.

Here is a before and after pic. of the 57 Ford 4x4
first one with the drilling rig
second one after restoration in a local parade
they did not scan to good.
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Default Re: '56 International 4WD Brush Truck Series S-140

Hi Beth ,
Mom should have a value for the insurance. What do you think?

If you are going to insure it I would check with your insurance provider to see what they need as far as the value , my thought would be to have a licensed appraiser value it and document it and insure it for that value .
Also the brakes on those trucks are pretty simple systems and shouldn't be hard to find rebuild kits for the master and wheel cylinders at a good parts store .
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If you contact Hagerty Insurance and refer them to the pictures on this thread they can estimate the insurance value for you. I'd guess $10,000 as the FWDs are rare and this one is extra nice.

An advantage of Hagerty is that they want you to drive it. Their ad shows the dashed center line of a highway and the copy reads "Tear along dotted line." My kind of collector insurance.

Phone is 800-922-4050.
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Thanks John,

I use Hagerty's insurance for my '29 Model A pickup.

Dad originally bought it for a spray truck on the farm, but then the restoration kept getting nicer & nicer....and that idea was ditched!

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Hi Beth,
Boring out slave cylinders and fitting stainless steel liners will go a long way to curing the problem at the wheels, with the advantage of the slave cylinders not rusting from the inside when water gets into the brake fluid, from moisture.
depending on the future use of the truck up grading to latter model brake componentry could be an option, if 100% authenticity is not a problem.
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Beth,
I know I'm resurrecting an old thread here, but love these old 140 & 160 IH 4x4's. These are factory built IH 4x4's with Eaton designed axles and Timken T32 transfer case. I can help with lots of info on these trucks. Master cylinder and rear cylinders are pretty common. Front cylinders are almost non-existant, but can certainly be rebuilt and sleeved if necessary. Sleeving isn't cheap. If you need more info, feel free to contact me, or visit binderplanet.com and search for S140, R140, A140 or B140. Btw, I was told that the axles were offset so that a driver approaching an obstacle (think stump or rock) could line it up under his seat and drive right over (assuming it's not too big, of course). The driver train of these trucks share lots of similarities with the IH M3 and M5 trucks from WWII. Some of the military truck restorers have found some replacement front wheel cylinders that work on these. The original cylinders are step bore 1-3/8" x 1-1/8". A good old fashioned brake shop could probably find others. I was talking to someone at Capital Brake (or something similar) out near Sacramento several years ago. He had found a cylinder that had similar mounting, length, etc. and was either 1-1/4" or 1-1/8" on both sides and was confident it would work. Unfortunately, I've lost my notes where I had written the info. If your cylinders aren't pitted, rebuild parts are available.

Check out my site for more info.
http://home.comcast.net/~thefowlers4/site/?/home/

I have lots more info on these that I haven't had time to post. Btw, there were 642 of the S140 4x4's built in 1955 & 1956. IH made these trucks from 53 - 60 or 61 with minor equipment changes and body style changes approximately every couple of years. When the R140/160 4x4 was introduced in 53, it was the first factory produced 4x4 of the major brands.

Front axle has 5,000lb rating, rear has 10,000lb rating. IH gave a GVW of either 11,000lb or 13,000lb depending on some other options. Gears are 6.16:1. Rear axle may have a Detroit type locker in it. 4spd trans can be non-synchro (T9) or synchro (T98). If it has a factory front winch or a pto opening on the driver side of the trans, it's a T9 non-synchro.

Let me know if you need any help or more info.

Keep posting pics when you can.

---------- Post added at 09:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 PM ----------

Oh, and be careful with those drums, They're nearly impossible to find.

Good luck.
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