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Hi G The problem with jet fuel is that it is too dry to to use in a gasoline engine . O

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Something happened , I guess I pushed the wrong button . You need to add oil to the jet fuel so that you don't damage the engine . I can get the jet fuel in 45 gallon drums no problem and cheaper than the aviation gas that I now use but I don't know what the mixer should be . I am thinking of using 2cycle oil at 32 to 1 but that is only a guess
Why do you think jet fuel is too dry . It is a heavier hydrocarbon than gasoline. It is nearer to diesel fuel than to gasoline. I think you are confusing with some thing else.
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On the farm, we had a coal stove in the west side of the house. It was changed over to an oil stove and we had to use stove oil in it. You could not use furnace oil.
I am confused now trying to search stove oil on line. It seems to be referred to as No. 1 heating oil. I always assumed it was close to, if not actually, kerosene? It seems to be available, but is it the same old stove oil we had 50 years ago? I have a feeling it would work as a tractor fuel, and might be a little cheaper than jet, but I don't know that for sure?
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Jet A is just Kerosene, jet B is about 70% gasoline blend so should be fine?
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:23:11 AM
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Mr. Halcon,
Yes, I did not have the money to core those carb bowl patterns for the hot water system. I do have a water "carb" that came with the carb that showed up at your shop door several years back. The patterns and original parts are on loan at the moment. I can't recall whether we made a new core for the bowl or simply used an original? I know those carbs cost a lot of money to get to completion!It would take some re-engineering to get that tractor to a dual fuel state.
I like the feedback so far on the jet option. I might try that in the Wallis this spring.
My first collector tractor was an X Oil Puke. It had a real concoction of diesel fuel, coal oil, gasoline and who knows what in it when I got it. I cleaned the tank out well and used straight kero. It ran way better on kero than on gasoline, and was a reliable old princess. It had to leave to pay for another project. That's life.
I wasn't referring to that. I don't think passing water thru there would be very effective. For 1 thing it would take a long time to get the water jacket temp up to do much good. A couple stoves rigged around the exaust pipes to heat the air might work. She runs so nice on gas, it might be best to lever.
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On the farm, we had a coal stove in the west side of the house. It was changed over to an oil stove and we had to use stove oil in it. You could not use furnace oil.
I am confused now trying to search stove oil on line. It seems to be referred to as No. 1 heating oil. I always assumed it was close to, if not actually, kerosene? It seems to be available, but is it the same old stove oil we had 50 years ago? I have a feeling it would work as a tractor fuel, and might be a little cheaper than jet, but I don't know that for sure?
The fuel sold today as stove oil is no.1 diesel or winter fuel. It is sold by different names because of the tax treatment No.2 is summer fuel and can only be used in stoves or furnaces that are set up to burn the heavier fuel usually need to have the storage tank indoors. The big change in diesel fuels in the last 50 years is the removal of the paraffin. As a kid I recall Dad bringing pails of heater oil in the house and filling the heater tank and you could see the crystals of wax in the oil when it was very cold.
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Lyle, was that using the hot air manifold for both tests?
Yes that was with the hot manifold, I don’t think you could get one to run on a cold manifold.
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I have just spent the last 3 hours reading about using jet fuel in a piston engine. Everything I have read says the same thing . You can use jet fuel in a diesel engine and it will run but you will badly damage the top end of your engine and the pump .. You need to add a lubricant . It doesn't say what kind of lubricant to use . This applies to unleaded kerosene jet A-1 and naphtha - kerosene jet B
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If you cant find that Screech will do in a pinch
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I believe what Leo is referring to is lubricity. Additives are often used to treat fuels for these properties. IIRC, wasn't this the warning about using low sulfur in old diesel fuel pumps, that it didn't have the lubricity of older diesel in exchange for cleaner emissions? In that case, a friction modifier additive (or maybe even 2 stroke oil, as suggested) could be used to save orings in pumps.

Edit: Quick search shows this additive and the chart on the page indicating top end lubrication improvements

Dee-Zol Additive
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