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Cletrac W Project to be Started


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Old 07-31-2014, 12:36:24 PM
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Hey all,
I just bought a Cletrac W and am planning to get it in running condition and eventually restored. There are quite a few issues with it along with missing parts.

The engine block had hard water in it and has a bulge/crack out the side of it. This tractor must have been used to drive back and forth to work because the sprockets are sharpened to a point. I hope to replace the block and get better sprockets. The tracks are worn as well. How do you repair/maintain these tracks?

There is several thing missing on it as well:
Gas caps, radiator cover, fan/pump belt, starting CRANK! also doesnt have a belt pully on the front.

If anyone knows a good place to find parts, i would appreciate it. I have talked with Zimmerman to locate a few things.

Could really used help finding a crank. and/or pictures plus dimensions to build my own.

Also any general information about the tractor would be great. It is my first crawler. helpful tidbits of information and suggestions welcome.

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Old 07-31-2014, 09:01:37 PM
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Hi, here are some pictures with dimensions, of the crank off my "W". (It fell off and was laying in the gravel in the shed--thats why it looks so rusty.) I figured you would just as soon have the dimensions now rather than wait until I get around to cleaning it up.)

Its too bad you are so far away--I have a spare hood and side panels I'd be interested in selling.

Good luck with you project. They are fun old crawlers but I suggest you get good ear protection when you get it running.

Ray Rice, in rusty Rifton.
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Old 07-31-2014, 10:21:49 PM
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Hi Andy,
I just happened to read your thread and realized I have a crank that looks like the one that Ray posted that came with a Waterloo engine!. If your interested I could check the spec's to make sure it is right?.
Nathan.
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Thanks for the help guys. I was looking at my crawler this weekend and I discovered that it does not have the belt pully "extension" if you will that you would normally use to crank. this is what is looks like.

Also, I would love to see pictures of the hood and side pannels. My hood is great and the left side hindged and other pannel are great. the exhause side, half the hindge portion is cut off and missing the bottom pannel all together.

But could see what we could work out.
Andy
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Hello again,

Its been a while and no progress has been made until this fall. I purchased a second cletrac and are building 1 from the two.
This has turned into quite the project. In one day, my friend Jeff and I have tore both tractors down the frames. there are a few hiccups that need to be addressed. The internal drive shaft for each side is wore pretty bad In the keyway. the tracks are ok to use. the sprockets have seen their miles put on them. I should have most of the parts I need to rebuild the one crawler.

I will have the carcus of one left if anyone is looking for a parts tractor.

Does anyone know where to find decals for this tractor. "Cletrac" and "the Cleveland Tractor Co"
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Those are good looking little crawlers, keep the progress reports coming.
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The internal drive shaft for each side is wore pretty bad In the keyway. the tracks are ok to use.
Besides the worn keyway does everything fit well otherwise?
If so just cut another keyway at 90 or 180 away from the existing one.
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the key is a woodruff key (the half moon) so I contemplated cutting a new straight key into the shafts but I want to avoid having to pull the shafts out because it looks like it will be a major pain. the entire transmission would have to be disassembled. so that is going to be a last resort.
I will be going back for the long weekend and tearing into it more. I hope to have the shafts fixed and start work on cleaning the frame to prep for painting.

Also ordered a new Radiator Core.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:36:29 AM
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Andy The crank shown above is exactly like the one that is standard equipment on the Cletrac F Hi Drive. What is interesting about the Model F hand crank is it has multiple features.
No. 1 It is the main transmission shifter lever. The F has only 2 speeds forward and back. When the crank is used to shift the trans it cannot be removed when it is shifted into either gear.
No. 2 Now this is also the starting crank for the Model F and here is where the crank - shifter becomes a safety device. In order to use it as a crank the tractor must be first shifted into neutral so it can be removed from the transmission. It can then be taken up to the front of the tractor so it can be started.
Whoever designed the model F built in this safety which meant it was impossible to start the tractor in gear. I have never heard of another old tractor with this built in safety feature. If anyone knows of such a feature please chime in. Ed B
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Where did you order the new radiator core from?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:06:49 AM
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I have a local radiator repair shop in New London Wi called Al's Radiator. They are doing the repairs and ordered the core from a supplier. you can contact them and see where it comes from if you are in need of one. they offered a standard built core and a heavy tube and fin core which is more in line with what a crawler would have had originally.

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Its been a while since I provided an update on the cletrac project.

so far we have tore down the two cletracs we had and picked the best parts to put into the one that we will save.

the engine had the head removed and valve job done. set the clearance for the rocker arms, cleaned the oil pan and sump strainer, swapped out the governor, swapped fan blades and welded one of the engine supports.

The radiator: core was shot so a new one was made. the bottom tank was cracked from hard water and had to be welded and coated to prevent leaks.

Front Sprockets were swapped for the best looking ones and those were taken apart and bearings cleaned and tightened.

Rear sprockets were swapped as well and we mixed and matched the best bull gears that are bolted inside the drive sprocket.

The rear end/transmission needed some work. The drive pinions were all wore except for one so it was saved and another one was ordered. the shafts that drive the pinions are straight shafts with a woodruff key. The keyways were badly wore out so the best solution we found was to weld the keys into the shaft and file it down for a tight fit.
The impute shaft into the transmission had a bushing replaces and some other adjustments to tighten it up. the couple the connects the engine to the impute shaft is similar to that of a magneto and that was built up with weld and filed down also.
The steering gears were tightened and the transmission was then good to go.

Gas tank was good for the most part, there is a splash baffle inside that broke free so that was reattached and the tank was coated. The mount that holds the tank had been cut up over the years to gain better access to the grease cups for the clutch- this was rewelded back to original. Also ordered new gas caps.

Pretty sure I covered most of the work that has been done so far.
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Here are pictures of the engine progress.

I really like how the oil level gauge looks after all these years.
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i got a sign writer to paint the cletrac name on my tank and side panels on my model h . your project is comeing along fine thanks for shareing
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Great threat as I'm a crawler fanatic I'm restoring a Weidely Engine that was used in the early Cletrac W and H, the later Cletrac engine is a close copy of it. I had to do a load of work on it, cast new babbit bearings in rods and mains, replaced one rod, had to sleeve all four cylinders, replaced camshaft, all pushrod, changed a few valves, springs and more. It had been easier and cheaper to import on or a few good Engines from the States but that would not have been the same challange.

Still have a tiny crack in the bellhousing and main block to sort out before putting everything back together. well the short block is ready.

//Erik

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andymoravec, I'm interested in the oil lever gauge. Can you please post a close up picture of it so I can copy the dial.
//Erik
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Hey, Im happy to hear another engine is being brought back to life. I never removed the crank and pistons from my engine. They are a little loose but didn't find it critical to give it a complete overhaul for the amount I will be playing with it one weekend a year.

Hear are the pictures of the oil level gauge. It is pretty interesting. hope they help and good luck.
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Thanks, great! I see its the same make as the oil preassure gauge. Yes you are right, I have spent a fortune on my Engine that will run a few hours a year. Guess Im a Little bit crazy.
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I have spent a fortune on my Engine that will run a few hours a year. Guess Im a Little bit crazy.
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Don’t worry Erik, we all are a little bit crazy for doing the same thing!
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Thanks, great! I see its the same make as the oil preassure gauge. Yes you are right, I have spent a fortune on my Engine that will run a few hours a year. Guess Im a Little bit crazy.
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Well if the engines that good buy a little scraper and shift some paydirt, I know a fella not far from you with a dirt heap taking up space in his yard.
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Ruston3W, you must mean the crazy pilots place May need a bigger crawler than the Cletrac W for that kind of job.

This Cletrac W I found disassembled in a barn, had to search through hay and sawdust to find all parts. Put her together as a non runner to start with.
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