Antique Tractors
[Home] - [HELP] - [Forums] - [Library] - [Photo Gallery] - [Groups] - [Classified Ads] - [Subscribe] - [Links] - [Books] - [Sponsors] -

Go Back   SmokStak > SmokStak® Old Iron and Tractor Community > Antique Steel Wheel Tractors - Old Iron Lugs and Cleats
Forgot Password? Join Us!

Notices

Antique Steel Wheel Tractors - Old Iron Lugs and Cleats Photos and information about antique steel wheeled farm tractors. This is where to find the heaviest of Old Iron tractors.

Antique Steel Wheel Tractors - Old Iron Lugs and Cleats

Alternatives to Gasoline


this thread has 45 replies and has been viewed 1814 times

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-12-2018, 09:48:18 AM
G Willikers G Willikers is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,263
Thanks: 10,508
Thanked 25,618 Times in 6,351 Posts
Default Alternatives to Gasoline

It seems to me that there was a similar thread on here a couple of years back, but I have been unable to find it. I apologize to the person who started that thread for starting another.
On another forum, there is "discussion" about the rise of electric vehicles and the future of gasoline as a readily available, or affordable substance. For our hobby, it might be something we should consider and discuss. This drifts into politics, so we should try to steer away from that.
All of my tractors will run cheerfully on kerosene. That can be expensive up here. I paid over $60 for a 5-gallon pail at TSC before Christmas, for my little foot warmer in the shop. It is no doubt cheaper by the barrel and can be stored.
We still need something to start the tractors. What are some alternatives to gasoline that will continue to be readily available and affordable down the road?
Note, I am not saying that gasoline is about to disappear, and I am sure that I will have tipped over before that day comes. But there seems little doubt that it will continue to become more and more expensive, and collectors may have things to consider in the future.
Thanks for any thoughts.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to G Willikers For This Post:
Sponsored Links
  #2  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:51:49 AM
Odin Odin is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Elmira, New York
Posts: 716
Thanks: 51
Thanked 478 Times in 270 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Alcohol blends are possible for many tractors, mostly moonshine mixes that would have powered them through the depression years.

I remember reference to some early engines using Benzene as a fuel, and am fairly sure that Benzene is among the additives in modern gasoline.

LPG and CNG conversions also exist, but the tanks and regulators required by these spoil the equipment's appearance. Some tractors came with this stuff from new, I've seen International Harvestor tractors using LPG and the manual for the Allis Chalmers WD45 I used to run had diagrams of the system as well.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Odin For This Post:
  #3  
Old 01-12-2018, 11:02:51 AM
VossD VossD is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Spiritwood, Saskatchewan , Canada
Posts: 76
Thanks: 628
Thanked 143 Times in 58 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

According to the latest predictions solar panel, storage battery and self driving vehicles know how will soon displace a large part of the gasoline market. Within 5 years self driving cars will replace a large part of the private owned car fleet. These predictions are made by a professor at Stamford U in California .This will lead to a steep decline in demand for gasoline with the result there will be a surplus of oil products and lower prices. Cheers
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to VossD For This Post:
  #4  
Old 01-12-2018, 11:59:00 AM
typak typak is online now
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Bowral, NSW, Australia
Posts: 1,207
Thanks: 1,529
Thanked 2,340 Times in 605 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Buying Kerosene for tractors its cheaper to purchase 'Jet A-1' jet engine kerosene, reserve the domestic grade expensive Kerosene for lamps, heaters and such.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to typak For This Post:
  #5  
Old 01-12-2018, 12:27:07 PM
Russ Hamm's Avatar
Russ Hamm Russ Hamm is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canton, Kansas, USA
Posts: 1,124
Thanks: 651
Thanked 1,573 Times in 513 Posts
Images: 1
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Gasoline was going to be a thing of the past decades ago.
There will be a demand for years to come, I believe. I don't know of alternatives but I haven't had to look for any yet, and I can't imagine collector car owners giving up any time soon.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Russ Hamm For This Post:
  #6  
Old 01-12-2018, 01:45:25 PM
Autotrac Autotrac is offline
Registered-I
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: oakville Ontario
Posts: 33
Thanks: 187
Thanked 22 Times in 11 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

I suppose we should just be prepared..... Good excuse to buy a steam traction engine! Haha
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Autotrac For This Post:
  #7  
Old 01-12-2018, 02:25:30 PM
Lyle Stomp Lyle Stomp is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Griffin, Saskatchewan,Canada
Posts: 86
Thanks: 8
Thanked 81 Times in 28 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Iím sure one could start a kerosene burner with naphtha gas then switch to Jet A once warmed up, I think jet fuel is gonna be around for a while since I havenít seen any electric commercial airplanes yet!
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Lyle Stomp For This Post:
  #8  
Old 01-12-2018, 03:08:57 PM
Renny Renny is offline
Registered-I
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Eckville, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 92
Thanks: 79
Thanked 109 Times in 40 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

My Grandfather told me during WW2, farmers would fun the John Deere D's on light crude. I think they would burn almost anything except water once warmed up LOL
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Renny For This Post:
  #9  
Old 01-12-2018, 03:29:12 PM
halcon halcon is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Fillmore, Saskatchewan, Canada
Posts: 966
Thanks: 2,145
Thanked 1,474 Times in 653 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Your best bet to get started Rick would be to go behind the counter in the paint department of your nearest Canadian Tire store and grab some of that paint thinner surely that will get it started.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-12-2018, 03:57:04 PM
G Willikers G Willikers is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,263
Thanks: 10,508
Thanked 25,618 Times in 6,351 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

I know a guy who ran his Model X Oil Puke on Varsol. Maybe he still does? I have not seen him in several years.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to G Willikers For This Post:
  #11  
Old 01-12-2018, 06:21:11 PM
David Hoover David Hoover is offline
Registered-III
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada
Posts: 955
Thanks: 1,551
Thanked 2,441 Times in 695 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Get yourself some of this Polish Vodka. If it wonít start on this then pour yourself a glass and pretend itís running..https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/...irit-95-polmos
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to David Hoover For This Post:
  #12  
Old 01-12-2018, 06:55:08 PM
gleaner gleaner is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Milan, Kansas USA
Posts: 489
Thanks: 737
Thanked 1,070 Times in 319 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Quote:
Originally Posted by VossD View Post
According to the latest predictions solar panel, storage battery and self driving vehicles know how will soon displace a large part of the gasoline market. Within 5 years self driving cars will replace a large part of the private owned car fleet. These predictions are made by a professor at Stamford U in California .This will lead to a steep decline in demand for gasoline with the result there will be a surplus of oil products and lower prices. Cheers
Well if the steering control on these self driving cars is run off GPS like the auto steering on the farm tractors I sure would not ride in one. You can lose satellite contact real easy. There will be many lives lost because of this junk but the libs love these ideas that kill jobs for us regular slobs so I'm sure it will come to pass. Think of all the unemployed truck drivers these libs are just itching to get rid of with self driving trucks. Why not put the freight back on the rails instead of the roads?
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to gleaner For This Post:
  #13  
Old 01-12-2018, 08:22:11 PM
Oilpulled Oilpulled is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Rockford, Illinois, USA
Posts: 3,824
Thanks: 10,301
Thanked 5,375 Times in 2,049 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Gleaner;
I agree with your last question sentence. Railroads is the way to go for freight. A few years ago we had Railway Express Agency which was an excellent way to ship small freight. Every major interstate should have a freight and passenger railroad nearby to relieve the congestion. A big heavy semi-trailer outfit does more damage to a road than 1,000 normal cars. The interstate highway is more expensive to build and to maintain than a railroad is. Many semitrailers are shipped across country on flat rail cars at great savings
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-12-2018, 08:39:34 PM
Cody Isaak Cody Isaak is offline
Registered-I
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Shoal Lake MB, Canada
Posts: 289
Thanks: 100
Thanked 1,214 Times in 199 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Kerosene is pretty reasonable here as jet A. It was 1.20 per liter and gas is about 1.10 for comparison. I don't know what the cost of jet B Is but on that note can someone explain the difference?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cody Isaak For This Post:
  #15  
Old 01-12-2018, 09:31:36 PM
VossD VossD is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Spiritwood, Saskatchewan , Canada
Posts: 76
Thanks: 628
Thanked 143 Times in 58 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

The professor I referenced in my post is Tony Seba at Stanford U. There is a youtube video on which he explains his theory .I do not defend or believe everything he offers up but is interesting just the same. I agree that more things should move by rail, so why aren't they? Cheers
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to VossD For This Post:
  #16  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:03:15 PM
G Willikers G Willikers is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,263
Thanks: 10,508
Thanked 25,618 Times in 6,351 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Isaak View Post
Kerosene is pretty reasonable here as jet A. It was 1.20 per liter and gas is about 1.10 for comparison. I don't know what the cost of jet B Is but on that note can someone explain the difference?
Cody,
Is jet available from a regular oil dealer? In barrels?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:17:27 PM
halcon halcon is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Fillmore, Saskatchewan, Canada
Posts: 966
Thanks: 2,145
Thanked 1,474 Times in 653 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

[QUOTE=VossD;1452080 .I do I agree that more things should move by rail, so why aren't they? Cheers[/QUOTE] Mainly I think it is the lac of flexibility that detracts from shipping by rail. It lends it self very well to bulk or at least car load lots. The logistics of having a shipment leave my town and arrive at yours, involves a lot of shuffling in rail yards, and time wasted waiting for a train going up an other line, some time several times, where as the trucker just signals and turns up that other highway and keeps on truckin.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:22:58 PM
G Willikers G Willikers is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 11,263
Thanks: 10,508
Thanked 25,618 Times in 6,351 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

I used to run straight kero in the Eagle years ago. It ran well on it with the air heater on. The partition went bad in the tank and I gave up on it. You could get it cheap at the local Co-op back then. It sure smelled nice.
The GS&M Beaver is pretty well set up for kero, and it is quite a hot runner so might vapourize kero really well. It has a partitioned gasoline/water tank.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to G Willikers For This Post:
  #19  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:23:56 PM
slip knot slip knot is offline
Subscriber
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Texas gulf coast
Posts: 960
Thanks: 538
Thanked 826 Times in 385 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

everclear

I ordered a dishwasher from new jersey. They are flying it to Houston then trucking it to my house Flyings cheaper than trucking it.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 01-12-2018, 10:36:00 PM
halcon halcon is offline
Registered-II
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Fillmore, Saskatchewan, Canada
Posts: 966
Thanks: 2,145
Thanked 1,474 Times in 653 Posts
Default Re: Alternatives to Gasoline

I don't think the GS&M Ideal will be a great kero burner unless you can get some heat to those chilly looking carburetors. And be carful with that paint thinner as it can be quite volatile.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to halcon For This Post:
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

F o r u m Jump

Similar Threads Chosen at Random
Thread Thread Starter F o r u m Replies Last Post
Black Oxide Alternatives dalmatiangirl61 Machine Shop and Tool Talk 2 09-15-2014 06:33:12 AM
Alternatives to Leading Behind Castings? G Willikers Steam Stationary Engines, Traction Engines, Steam Boats 13 03-27-2013 09:06:22 PM
Almost embarrassed to ask... (Onan Alternatives) opus Generators & Electric Motors General Discussion 20 04-08-2011 06:25:03 PM
6.5 MCCK replacement fuel pump alternatives? PuckHog Onan Generators 3 07-13-2010 03:52:55 AM
Buzz Coil Alternatives Frank Gassett Magnetos, Ignition Coils and Spark Plugs 5 03-07-2005 11:31:57 AM


Use "Ctrl" mouse wheel to change screen size.
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:06:45 AM.

Smokstak and Enginads site search!


All use is subject to our TERMS OF SERVICE
SMOKSTAK® is a Registered Trade Mark - A Community of Antique Engine Enthusiasts
Copyright © 2000 - 2016 by Harry Matthews P.O. Box 5612 - Sarasota, FL 34277