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Allis-Chalmers Model E - Modified?


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Old 04-09-2009, 04:04:30 PM
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Hello All.........My brother and I just reclaimed our Father's Model E tractor from the 30-year owner that bought the tractor at the farm auction near Adell, Wisconsin. It sat outdoors for a few years and then was stored in a shed where it collected a large amount of dirt and was subjected to several leaning objects that caused the radiator to become 'racked'. Our family acquired the tractor in 1947 from another farmer who was getting out of the contract threshing business. The steel wheels were converted to rubber in about 1949. We used the tractor for several years to power the 28-inch McCormick thresher and a Case blower for chopped hay and silage. I parked 'BIG CHARLIE' in 1968 and that was the last time he had been running.

Based on the numerous photos of other E models, we believe the fenders may have been replaced and we know the fan shroud was removed. We have the IHC magneto that was on him since 1947. The engine has #15228 on the left side and the water-jacket plates have casting numbers of AM-1844. The brass plackard on the dash has #21208. We could not find the other numbers to be located on the 2-speed tranny case, near the shifter cover, or below the seat as some reports are aluded to.

The sheet metal is in rough shape and will need to be replaced. Our Father modified the draw-bar. The plugs came loose and the steering and wheels turn. The motor is stuck with a small amount of moisture rust showing on one plug. The water pump is also stuck and the water-bath aircleaner is cracked. My brother is taking Big Charlie to Atlanta, Georgia to try and restore him.

The BIG question is: What type of motor is this? It has 8 pushrods going to an L or overhead valve head with an aluminum valve cover. The mag, governer, and water pump are on the left. The intake, exhaust and carburetor are on the right. I hope the attached photos will help. Thanks to all for any advice on the motor and how to get it loose.
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Old 04-09-2009, 04:35:50 PM
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Looks like a Midwest brand engine. Was used in Lauson and Huber tractors. Kevin
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Wow! I can hardly believe what I see. That aint no E. If I'm not mistaken that apears to be a 15/25 Allis with the Midwest engine. These came out in the early 1921 period ,didnt sell well and were droped shortly after in favor of the larger model E. These are quite rare and highly sought after. The down side is parts are almost non existing. We always wanted to add one to the stable but never came across one . You are very fourtunate indeed. Frank
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Yeah, Frank is probably right on, I didn't know for sure what it is but it's not a model E. Nice tractor.
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Old 04-09-2009, 05:36:08 PM
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Boy, what a deal. If your brother does take it south to restore, I hope he does it up right. That is a very scarce and desirable tractor. Fortunately, there is plenty of AC knowledge out there to help you out. Got any pics of the whole tractor?
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Congrats, The tractor you have is a 15-25 Model L. It appears to be in pretty good shape.

It must feel good to get it back after so many years, were you looking for it?

From your pictures you have many hard to find parts, like the air washer, manifolds, carb, and aluminum valve cover.

I am restoring a 20-35 longfender the big brother to your tractor. I am building a complete new radiator, however I think it is bigger than yours.

The serial number is the one on the dash, according to Swinford's book your tractor is a 1925

Paul
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Your tractor is certainly not an E. I suspect that it is the smaller (and much rarer) model L 15-25. I have never seen one "in the flesh" as it were and you have a wonderful find there!

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Richard, there is one in the UK that has recently been restored by a well-known A-C enthusiast. Hopefully we will see it out and about soon.

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Thanks to all for the info.............We always knew where Big Charlie was stored and had been to see him a few years ago. I wanted to restore him but have no heavy equipment or garage space. I work on motorcycles and sometimes don't leave enough room to park my wife's car. When my brother retired I tried to get him interested. He went to a tractor show and started to look around on the Internet. Because the tractor is green, everyone told us it was a Model E. When Roger saw the interest at the tractor shows, he called me for the contact info with the owner. I saw the owner at a funeral and told him of our interest. He said if we wanted Charlie to come and get him. Roger paid him a small amount to compensate for the $50 auction price he paid in 1979.

The sheet metal is rough and the radiator frame is wraked. The tools are still in the box and the mag turns. We always kept Charlie well greased and oiled. There is no water in the pan and the oil is dark but smooth after 40 years. Everything on the carburetor looks good. The lower elbow on the exhaust is broken from ice. The air-intake stack is whole because it was removed and laying under cover. We will start doing the research on the L models. Here are a few pictures with accumulated dirt. Dennis Weinhold in Wisconsin
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Default Re: Allis-Chalmers Model E - Modified?

Dennis,

Thanks for the pictures.

I chased out to North Dakota after 15-25 once, but came up short. Now one shows up with in a hundred miles! Congrats again for getting it back in the family.

Here are some pictures of the radiator sides I have made.

If you measure yours maybe they are close enough to work with some modification.

Paul
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