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E15 in newer cars


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Old 01-13-2019, 01:41:49 AM
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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

It was as old as I am. 1.6L carbureted, believed to be 2 barrel. Had a 5 speed stick. I'd always try to keep the RPM down, except when I had to make torque to get through a busy intersection or up a steep hill. At the time my daily commute was 30 miles round trip, 20 of which was on the highway.

Was aware of it having a bypass carburetor and O2 sensor, but with 180k miles when I bought it the engine was burning a bit of oil so the O2 sensor probably was fouled up and no longer usable.

The difference in power was quite noticeable on it, and over time I figured out what stations sold E0 so that I could get the gas that it ran correctly on.

Eventually after being my ratracer for 5 years and hitting 270k miles, I could no longer get 5th gear to catch on the transmission. Would try to select it and there would be nothing there anymore. So when the brakes and tires were worn down again, I drove it to the scrapyard to be sold. It hit 88 MPH one final time on the flats, using only the gears I had left. I miss that car so much, was always fun to drive even after it literally became the car from Rusty Chevrolet.

On the other hand my 2015 Mitsubishi Mirage might actually get slightly better fuel economy on the E10 than it does on E0. This has a 1.2L 3 cylinder with a CVT in it, and just like I used to do manually on the Nova the computer is always trying to keep the RPM as low as possible while still making enough torque to accelerate when I ask it to. Newer engines are built with the antiknock properties of Ethanol in mind and can have a higher compression ratio, then de-tune when given E0 to not knock themselves apart. Giving it E10 it can tune to its best, almost completely making up the reduced energy content by giving improved efficiency. Not sure how it would handle E15, it is not a Flexfuel rated powertrain.
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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

Probably makes more of difference in an underpowered car that struggles to maintain speed on hills without having to downshift.

If you're already underpowered enough to begin with then I can see where running E10 or E15 might make a noticeable difference as you're opening the throttle more and more to still have an underpowered engine.

Everything I Own Has Power To Spare (and then some) and I have run E10 and E25 with No Noticeable difference in performance and No Measurable Difference in Fuel Economy, and I check my mileage on Every Fill-up.

I have also run mixtures of E85, Up to half a tank at a time mixed with the E10 with No Difference in Performance and less than a 1/2MPG drop in Mileage which was Greatly Offset by the Price Per Gallon. Not being a "Flex-Fuel" vehicle I didn't push my luck running the E85 more than 2 or 3 times with 1/3rd to 1/2 tank mixtures, but I ran the E25 for most of a Summer when it was available within my daily commute at the time, and then switched back to E10 again after that.

I haven't tried any E15 yet that I can remember, but as my (daily driver) car (2003 Ford Escort ZX2) handles E25 I know it will handle the E15 Just Fine.

I ran a Lot of E10 and Some E25 through my 37 Ford and 69 Firebird, and a few gallons of E85 in a 62 Chevy C-60 Dump Truck to get it home from the auction I bought it at.

E10 is All my Lawnmowers have ever seen in the past 25 years other than when I ran old used gas of unknown origin and a couple experiments running Kerosene through them.

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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

Funny how everyone who has intentionally put E10, E15, or higher blends in their tractor, lawnmower, car, or motorcycle reports no problems. Everyone who accidently puts E10 in their vehicle reports 25% decrease in mileage, carburetors gumming up, gas tanks rusting out, and tires going flat. All blamed on the ethanol.
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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

"Funny how everyone who has intentionally put E10, E15, or higher blends in their tractor, lawnmower, car, or motorcycle reports no problems."

Afraid I'm going to have to call BS on that statement as have seen first hand the carburetor problems ethanol gas has caused on many lawnmower, rototiller, weed whacker and chain saw engines. At a reputable small engine repair shop I once asked if the ethanol gas problem was evident at their shop and the mechanic said "That's what's keeping us in business".

Since I started using Premium fuel with zero ethanol in all my air cooled engines many years ago have had zero carburetor problems.

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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

Ethanol blends don't seem to do well in small equipment with vented gas tanks. Probably not a terrible deal for someone who runs their equipment hard and never lets it sit, but it seems bad when it ages. I will say my chainsaw and weedwacker had issues but I switched to the canned premix fuel from the store and my problems are -gone-. But I dunno ethanol is the only cause. I had it stated from someone in the loop that small engines really needed their own fuel, because modern gasoline has evolved to be fit for the modern car, but is a poor choice for small engines.
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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

Odin,you scrapped a running car that got that gooda gas mileage? Sheesh.Must be nice to be able to do that.
I would have kept driving it.
of course i am 1 of the 1's that is driving a 77 Impala with over 360,000 miles on it, so yea,I am different.But when something has never left you stranded,you take care of it.
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Odin,you scrapped a running car that got that gooda gas mileage? Sheesh.Must be nice to be able to do that.
I would have kept driving it.
If you've ever heard the song Rusty Chevrolet by Da Yoopers, that's what it had become. It burned a quart of oil for roughly every 20 gallons of gas. The body was a composite of carved foam, chicken wire, and bondo since the year-round salted roads had eaten the steel away. I couldn't pick 5th gear on the transmission anymore, nothing there to pick. Sometimes the starter would jam and I'd have to get it started by pushing it along then jumping in to perform a pop-start. Oh and the heater controls consisted of a bundle of wires coming out of the dashboard. I'd twist the ends together to select the fan speed I wanted. But the radio, it was okay!

I wish I could have saved it. It needed the engine and transmission overhauled, along with a lot of body and chassis work. At the time my parents were getting divorced and the farm was about to be sold to pay the legal fees. I didn't have the time or money left to give it the overhaul it deserved and turn it into a good reliable car again.
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Default Re: E15 in newer cars

Silly to put much money into a 25+ year old econocar with a shot drivetrain. For the same price you can buy a newer car that gets probably better mileage with less rust. It's one thing if you are saving an old classic or a special car...otherwise, just get the newer car. Corollas never strayed, always been a good car.

Part of being frugal is knowing when to throw in the towel and replace something!
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