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Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts


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Old 02-14-2010, 10:28:01 AM
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Default Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

I am in need of a head, valves, rocker arm, and follower for the governor that goes on the crankshaft for a Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine. The spacing on the head bolts is 4 1/2 inches left to right and top to bottom, and the crankshaft is one inch eight hundred thousanths. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Hey Joe--

I don't have the parts, but what is the horsepower of your Waterloo United. If you send me the serial number I will post it in the United registry.

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There was no brass tag so unless there is identification on it elsewhere I have no idea. It is a Sandow by the style of the hopper and it has a 4 1/2 inch bore and 9 inch stroke.
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Check the crankshaft. thats where i found the number for my 2hp waterloo boy. well i think 2 hp as there was no tag either.
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Default Re: Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

Joe,
If your engine originated as an Associated built for United then try Bill Graves for parts. Great guy, extremely knowledgeable and reasonably priced parts. If you need his contact info send me a PM. Seems like a lot of these Associated / United / jobber engines coming to light these days. I like it.
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Sandow was the name that Sandy McManus Inc. of Waterloo Iowa put on their engines, they were a mailorder house that sold everything from engines to manure spreaders and even sewing machines.

They originated in 1912, and by 1915, they were no more. In 1915 after Sandy McManus resigned as president, the company was reorganized as Interstate Engine & Tractor Company.

If you would post some pictures of your engine, it may be easier to tell what company actually built it since Sandow just sold engines with their name on it, It could be a Waterloo, Associated, Galloway, who knows without seeing it.

We have a Sandow engine sold by Sandy McManus that was originally built by Galloway.

If you engine actually had the tag, it would be considered somewhat rare since They probibly did not sell many engine in their 4 years of business.

I hope this info was helpful to you.
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Default Re: Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

Joe,,it sound like a 4-5 Hp Waterloo engine?,,does it have the Waterloo flywheels,, the weight that goes straight across the spokes?,,I just sold a 4 1/4 inch bore Waterloo head,a couple weeks ago,I've got a couple I was sorta holding on to,,some were 4 inch ,,I can measure tomorrow,,,,Jim
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We ( Dad and I ) have seen a picture of one other just like it that had the original tag so thats how we came to the conclusion it is a Sandow because of the water hopper design. Also it is set up just like United with the head bolts in a square pattern instead of a diamond like Associated. Thanks re. Bill Graves we contacted him a while ago and at the time he did not have a head. I will double check on the bore, but I believe it is 4 1/2 which puts it at the center of the head bolts.
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Default Re: Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

So which "Sandow" Does it look like? Sandow was just a catalogue company that sold stuff under their name. Their were several different engines they sold. So you engine could be one of many, It would be nice if you could narrow it down to what company built it originally, Associated, Waterloo, Galloway, possibly you could post a picture so we could positively identify it.
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Here is a later Waterloo United serial number in the 75000 to 79000 range. Waterloo was the United supplier in 1912 to about mid 1913, roughly Waterloo serial numbers 36xxx thru 79xxx. After mid 1913 the United-Associated connection began, continuing to the end of production.

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Default Re: Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

Well Joe,I went and checked a 5 Hp Waterloo engine,,and it does have the 4 1/2 inch bore,,and the bolt spacing is 4 5/8,,you might check that again,,if its Waterloo it will look like Dick's engine except bigger,,that looks like a 2 1/2 Hp Waterloo,,look at the flywheel counter weight,,,,,Jim
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It looks just like the engine in Dick Webber's post. I apologize as I (like many others it seems) am trying to figure out the relationship between Waterloo, United, Associated, etc. I would post a picture, but right now it is in pieces and the last picture I tried to post didn't work. I thought it was of the Sandow line because the only other one I have seen a picture of with a bolt on top rim in the Waterloo style was a Sandow.
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Default Re: Sandow (United,Waterloo) engine parts

Im looking for a sandow rocker. Any idea where or what to do to find one?

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