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Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor


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Old 06-25-2018, 12:06:02 PM
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Default Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

I am looking for ideas and solutions here. I have a mid-1990s forklift that runs on LP. 4cylinder engine has a distributor problem and parts are not available and a new distributor is $$$$$ It is electronic ignition now with a hall effect pickup in the distributor. any ideas how to retro a hall effect into this system and either get it to work or incorporate another high voltage side that will make the system work?
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition.

What is the distributor make and model? If you can't supply that, at least the engine? or forklift? make and model. Not enough info to make any kind of suggestion.
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition.

Cat forklift model V30D with a 2.0L 4 cylinder Peugeot engine on LP.
the distributor is a Ducellier xn1p that has the hall effect pickup in it.

Looking for a way to get it all going again I am ok with machining parts if need be to make something fit.

sorry for the no information thing, just seems everyone I have talked to runs for the hills when they hear 'CAT' or 'PUEGEOT' so I started general so as not to scare everyone off.
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition.

Have you tried searching Ducellier here?
Believe 2-3? yrs ago there were posts on this forum somewhere re' TurfCats? with Renault? engines using Ducellier ignition, with comments about some place here in US that furnished some Ducellier parts...
Found one undated note in my file re' Cont'l "R" (Renault) engines in Turfcats using Ducellier, that ignition parts then available thru northernpowerproducrs.com, that Don Bossert at that firm used to be the contact at midamericapower.om re' Cont'l/Renaul/Ducellier tbefote it shut down.
If still there, and still handling Ducellier, if no parts they may know of replacement or workaround...
Ducellier seems to frighten people, too...
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition.

also try,www.montesequipment.com
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

If all else fails is there a convenient place you could mount two puck magnets 180* apart on the flywheel/balancer to trigger an MPU? Use that to trigger a standard automotive ignition module? Some ignition modules even have a timing curve build in.
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

I think I am going to try to make the kit that converts the older style of this distributor that had points to hall effect electronic ignition. you can search ebay for a 3DUC4U1 kit to see what it is. I will have to take the distributor apart and make sure there is room for the sensor provided. keep the suggestions coming though, it is not together and running yet.
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

It's an inline four? Easy... Get two double-ended coils, two trigger modules from whatever common '80's ignition system is on your local auto-store shelf, and mount two prox sensors 180 degrees apart, mount trigger target on crank accordingly.

good trigger module is the EST-HEI (small cap, two connectors on front (2 and 3 pins, respectively) and two trigger coil pins on back... used in GM marine and industrial engines around '91-95...) they have integral electronic advance. Now, since you're triggering only half the frequency of a four cylinder, so if the original electronic curve started advance at 1100rpm, then you'd not see it 'till 2200rpm.

Another way to do it, is to get a CDI kit for a model aircraft or small engine, and fit that to trigger wheel... they're often available with double-ended coils, and without advance, and they're often programmed to whatever (or no) advance curve. That'd do the trick.

You COULD run it with no advance. Forklifts, due to parasitic load of hydraulics, frequently idle faster... say... 1000rpm... particularly when engine oil is cold. Dropping it down to automotive levels (like... 550rpm) is often too slow to operate the mast, and not enough to keep it from stalling in the cold. If no advance is suitable, then a PAIR of Chrysler electronic boxes (from a mid'70's New Yorker, or Volare, or RAM van... it's a squarish metal box about twice the size of a deck of cards, with a funky 5-pin connector on the outside...
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Default Re: Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

Some very interesting and innovative solutions here for how to escalate the war you are having with transistors. But those suggestions miss an important point. Whenever you get into a war with transistors the transistors win every doggone time. So why not make life easy for yourself and try to retrofit some distributor with real, honest to goodness POINTS to the machine and the war will be over before it ever begins.
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EMP proof... nice.
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