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Old 09-28-2018, 08:02:50 AM
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Ran my eye over this Federal oil engine the other day and certainly a interesting set up with a governor that appears to shut down? the exhaust valve so the engine rolls on compression keeping the atmospheric fuel valve closed and the heat retained in the cylinder and hot bulb on the idle strokes? intake air valve also atmospheric, also a good amount of original paint and pinstripe left on this one as well, the history of 'The Federal' engines seems very obscure to say the least?, a friend acquired it the other day and it will make a nice addition for our club.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:04:02 AM
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Old 09-28-2018, 06:38:39 PM
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Lovely engine, thanks for posting. So the idea is to retain heat in cylinder during idle strokes? Can understand that advantage, but that would mean idle under compression?
Or am I up the creek? Thanks -Neil.
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Old 09-28-2018, 08:25:04 PM
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Default Re: Federal Oil Engines

Hh, jj, kk, ll crossleys were all governed the same way and a few other makers did it too

---------- Post added at 10:25:04 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:18:40 AM ----------

There are a few federals around, around a dozen or so and they span from south aust up into qld but there is only 1 known 100% complete original engine and that one resides in a collection in s.a and there is also one known which had a removable sub-base and it had the only name plate with the actual makers of dadswell & Merritt on it, where all others have the agents of welch & perrin on them. They were made in a backstreet of Melbourne which is now where china town is.
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Old 09-29-2018, 01:26:50 AM
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To my understanding a little optimistic at a dozen or so, while not that unusual in the governing system it is unusual in a hot bulb engine and notably so in this set up, what can be said is they were made at a number of different addresses and the differences in existing engines are quite numerous, this particular engine was purchased from the Trafalgar district Vic; some images of the Dadswell & Merrett labeled engine.
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Yes i know where the engine was purchased from but its not original to that area. I owned the engine in your first 2 pics in ya last post and its the most different engine out if them all, all others are basically the same and there is a really small one in Melbourne which even though was without a plate a plate has several close similaritys to the bigger engines and the nameplate from my engine pretty much matched up to the holes in the small engine. And about dozen is not optimisic as when i owned my one and was displaying the one that russel purchased years ago i searched out as many as i could and that was the number that i found
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Hi all my son owns 2 federal engines which we have posted on here before. One is a 2hp unfortunately not complete, the other is a 4hp which we have running see photos
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We have a photo of the shop front will have to dig it out more photos
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These two photos came from a relative of the dadswell family the shop front is the best I can do. If you zoom in you can just make out federal at the top they were very big in push bike making
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Hello Peter, the picture would be the Russell st address? also a pic of one of the petrol engines.
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More information number 103 not sure if,what or where this one ended up
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To my understanding a little optimistic at a dozen or so, while not that unusual in the governing system it is unusual in a hot bulb engine and notably so in this set up, what can be said is they were made at a number of different addresses and the differences in existing engines are quite numerous, this particular engine was purchased from the Trafalgar district Vic; some images of the Dadswell & Merrett labeled engine.

Hi Typak,

We had one in the family collection. It was not very well built, the crank webs were not machined at all, it was quite rough. The connecting rod also was not machined down its length, almost had a blacksmiths finish to it. Many other part of the engine lacked the quality of a well built engine.

I guess we had a dud.

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Ran my eye over this Federal oil engine the other day and certainly a interesting set up with a governor that appears to shut down? the exhaust valve so the engine rolls on compression keeping the atmospheric fuel valve closed and the heat retained in the cylinder and hot bulb on the idle strokes? intake air valve also atmospheric

Hi Typak,

I have a few engines that govern on the exhaust valve not opening, I have always viewed it as not a good idea, as it is possible to recompress an already expanding charge, adding extra stress to the working components of the engine.

With Mick's post about the Crossley oil engines, are they really hot-tube engines? or a form of hot bulb? Most people consider hot tube ignition an external flame that continuously heats the tube. I don't believe this is the case with the Crossley oil engines.

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