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Old 04-27-2017, 06:57:01 AM
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Default Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

Hi there,,

Just doing a few things to my Sundial B 2HP and was wondering if anyone knows where i can get the 2 brass grease cups for the crank and the smaller brass grease cup on the pushrod from or if anyone would have any good spare ones they would like to sell.
Have seen these before on other Sundials and look great polished up.
Tried pinching the ones on my dads 4 HP ( lol ) but they seem to be a little bigger.
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Many thanks in advance
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Old 04-27-2017, 09:34:02 AM
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

Hi there Camute,
Are you needing grease cups, or are they actually oil cups with a wick feed in them? Any Type B engines I have seen had the oil cups fitted. Not sure about Type A engines, (overhead valve), someone here may know if they had grease or oil cups.
The oil cups on my 2hp type B cam gear and pushrod had a spring loaded brass flap cover on each of them and I have not seen them for sale anywhere.
A NSW business called Rustic Spares advertises grease cups in many sizes but not sure if they have the wick oiler type. Should be possible to braze a piece of copper tube into them to adapt them, and form wicks from woollen thread and copper wire or similar. Will be advice here on favorite wick formulae and flow regulation. Good luck with the project. Regards, Combustor.
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Hi there Combuster,,
I'm pretty sure they are grease cups on there as the insides are full of grease.
Ill post a pic over the weekend of the insides and see what the go is.
Maybe they should be the oil wick type.
Thanks for your input so far, its greatly appreciated.
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

Contact john Humphries at rustic spares he has both metal and brass grease cups in many different sizes. He will be very keen to help you out as he does with all his customers. He is brilliant to deal with and always helpful.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:48:26 AM
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Pretty sure these should be oil cups with the tube down the centre we always used pipe cleaners for the wicks.
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:23:16 AM
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Cobbadog spot on john at rustic helps where ever he can
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:38:48 AM
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

There's a set on ebay for a sundial now.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Sundial-O...gAAOSwJ4hY91Ij
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

Sundial Type B engines were fitted with grease cups early on and later in production they were changed to oil . If you have the original lid and crankcase cover on your engine , it will tell you whether you should have grease or oil (cast writing on lid)
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Pretty sure these should be oil cups with the tube down the centre we always used pipe cleaners for the wicks.
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

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Sundial Type B engines were fitted with grease cups early on and later in production they were changed to oil . If you have the original lid and crankcase cover on your engine , it will tell you whether you should have grease or oil (cast writing on lid)
Hello Clarke
Just like this.

I have a funny feeling one of our is oil and one is grease, but my memory is bad. I'll check later.
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Hi there
Pipe cleaners are very poor wicks .capillary action is minimal using these .plain old shoe lace is superior.
Try this simple test- fill two buckets with water , put the shoelace in one of the buckets of water and have the lace hanging out over the edge and do the same with the pipe cleaner .one will start to siphon water from the bucket and it will not be the pipe cleaner.the same happens with oil.
I did this little demo in front of a friend who swore by pipe cleaners , he tried to convince me that pipe cleaners did the trick.after the demo his view changed
Hey, what the heck would I know
As always each to his own
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Kerosene lamp oil wicks worked great on my 1 S Challenge hoisting rig bearings on the capstan winch bearings, it soaks up the oil then lets it drip in slow, and it will roll up in the cup real well to.....
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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

Adams lubricators or oilers have pipe cleaner wicks and are still made that way, at one time you could buy pipe cleaner style oil wicks that were different colors for different flow rates, we used them on the lubricators on machine tools, just use pipe cleaners now doubled or tripled up depending on the flow needed.
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Hi typak
Not using capillary action I have tried it .the flow is minimal if any .as posted I would try kero lamp wicks-great idea.oil is cheap , if your wicks do not provide enough oil goodbye bearings.
My fear is guys would stick in a bottle brush from under under the sink and expect it to do the job it won't
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I have a funny feeling one of our is oil and one is grease, but my memory is bad. I'll check later.
Cheers Scott
Hello all
I was wrong. Both have oil according to the covers.
Mr Sunshine: In the oilers in the engine above I've used pure wool. I tried one thread and oil flew through on the bigend. It emptied the pot in about 1/2 an hour. I ended up using 3 threads to get a reasonable flow rate. I wonder wool would compare to shoe laces? Time for Myth Busters?

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Default Re: Sundial 2HP Grease Cups

No one has quoted the parts book, so here is what it says:

X1450 Oil lubricator, complete, for big end bearing.
X1452 Oil lubricator, complete, for main bearings, 1/4 gas.
X2321 Oil lubricator for camshaft, used from No.6049 and for bracket for push rod from No.6236.
V6131 Grease cup for camshaft (used to No.6048); also used for bracket for push rod to No.6235.

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Hi scotty.
Any natural fibre I would think would work well, a word of warning when using wool it's not steel wool .I think I tried to make joke.
I use old cotton laces, they are cheap and work very well.
As I have said before each to his own .
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Adams the large UK co has been making lubricators for years with the pipe cleaner wick, they work perfectly well .
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Hey many thanks everyone for their input so far,, it blows me away the amount of knowledge people have and how they are happy to share it around.
I'll have a look at the writing on the crank cover and see what it says in regards to oil or grease.
I've had this engine for about 4 years,, bought it off eBay,and have never had it running yet.
Had to fabricate new valve retainers and collets.
Just about to start making a transporter for it as well.

I know this is probably a dumb request (lol) but can someone please tell me how to "thank" people after they post comments.
I've noticed a few people do it and would really like to acknowledge people's input.
Thanks again
Cam
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Hi,

I am not sure how correct this is, but I stop trusting the pipe cleaner as a lubricating wick when I heard that it was no longer made from natural fibres but synthetic fibres.

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