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Old 08-31-2018, 05:01:34 AM
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Default Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine

Hi all,

I have just picked up part of a Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine to repair.

I have most of the parts to make a complete engine except for the crank case door.

Does anyone know of a crank case door for the Southern Cross Pumper that might be for sale?

Thanks Adam.
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Old 08-31-2018, 05:41:37 AM
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Yes well Adam I was without a genuine part for quite a long time but did eventually obtain one .However in the meantime I made one, did the job and nobody seemed to notice . As a matter of interest I found the genuine part in ''Uncle Herbs'' old shed.
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Old 08-31-2018, 04:23:33 PM
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

I hope you find 2 when you find one. I'm looking as well.

Cheers Scott
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Hi All,

I have been looking through my Farm Pump spares to see what parts I already have. Still learning about the many small differences.

Does anyone know how many cooling fins are supposed to be on the cylinder for a Southern Cross Farm Pump, my engine number is 18630.

I have two with 20 fins and one with 24 fins.

The 20 fin cylinder also has a blanked off piece opposite the cylinder oiler pipe and same with the exhaust port, threaded on one side and blanked off on the opposite side. Check out photo 1.

I also noticed the 20 fin cylinder has the oiler between the fuel tank and fly wheel and the 24 fin cylinder has the oiler between the fuel tank and magneto.

My Buzacott has 24 fins so I thought it could be the cylinder with 20 fins.

Any ideas on approximate age?

Thanks Adam
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Old 09-03-2018, 05:18:47 AM
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Hi Adam
18630 is wrong for a SC farm pumper 18630 is a AX-C
18278-18377 & 19528-19610 is farm pumpers for 1944
That's if you are reading the number next to the 'SPARK' line
Southern Cross Farm Pumpers had 20 fines and yes you do find parts are swapped around from other makes of pumpers
If It has the original crank shaft the number is also on the end of the crank shaft
Ian
http://southerncrossregister.nqmp.org/
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Old 09-03-2018, 07:35:22 AM
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Thanks Ian,

My mistake, the engine number is 18350. Not sure how I messed it up, but great to know it was built in 1944. I will build it with the 20 fin cylinder and try to return it to original as best as I can.

I had the Southern Cross crank case beside a Buzacott pumper and also noticed the front crank shaft housing is slightly different and the angle of the grease caps is different. There is probably more, I will learn along the way.

I knew the crank case cover / door was different and the gibb key cover but unless the engines are side by side or you have spent some quality time getting to know these engines I didn’t realise there were so many differences.

Now I have to try and remove the gibb key, someone didn’t grease the front of the crank and the bearing has been badly worn. The crank has dropped so much it won’t mesh with the cam gear. I will have to dismantle to see how badly damaged the front housing and crank are.

Does anyone have some pictures of the crank case cover / door so I can see what might be involved in making one.

If there is something else that is specific to the Southern Cross Pumpers please let me know.

Thanks Adam
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

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Now I have to try and remove the gibb key, someone didn’t grease the front of the crank and the bearing has been badly worn. The crank has dropped so much it won’t mesh with the cam gear. I will have to dismantle to see how badly damaged the front housing and crank are.
If you find that only the bearing is worn, Don Reid has them.
If he hasn't got some made and your desperate, I have a set I won't be using for a while. I can wait.

Cheers Scott
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Adam,
Just so happens I received a set of Rosebery bearings as well as the big end bearings from Don Reid on Friday 31 Aug 18 . Ordered one week received them the next. Gave him the Serial no. as well and he told me a little bit of the history of the engine, age and who bought it. Really helpful bloke.
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Thanks Jeff,

Don dated my Buzacott Farm pumper as 1928. I also have a Fuller & Johnson Farm pump 1916 and had been looking for a reasonable price Southern Cross pumper for a while to make a set. Now I have a 1944 Southern Cross pumper . Looks like I have most of the parts to make it live again, just need the crank case door specific to the Southern Cross engines.

There has got to be two (1 for Scott as well) crank case doors from damaged engines somewhere.

Thanks Adam
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Adam,

Here is the one off my Southern Cross?? unsure as the barrel has 24 fins, SC flywheel though, will send more.

Regards
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Adam,
Last photo, as previously stated unsure if it is a SC cover, part number is J4 but so is my Rosebery one, Rosebery cover is different configuration.
hope they help.
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Hi all,

The cast door that Jeff is showing in the pictures is Southern Cross

Cheers Justin
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Southern Cross Farm Pumper 18350
Tested 23-6-1944
Sent to Southern Cross Sydney 26-6-1944 on sold to who??
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

Thanks Ian,

The pumper minus the cylinder and above came from a property near Warildra in NSW, must have been sent to Sydney then back north. It was given to the guy I purchased it from for payment of a job. Unfortunately the magneto, cylinder and above is missing along with the elusive crank case door.

I will try and find out the property name, I assume it spent its life there. Slowly painting the picture.

I have another miss matched pumper that was running. It has the 20 fin cylinder so I am going to use the parts from that to complete the Southern Cross pumper.

Ian, I sent through the pumper engine numbers I have to the Southern Cross page for the register (3), did you get them? 2 are just flywheels.

It says Lucas magneto and the serial number, I know that magneto is long gone but which model Lucas magneto should it be?

Thanks to all for your help and advice, I will keep you updated on the repairs.

Thanks Adam
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine.

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It says Lucas magneto and the serial number, I know that magneto is long gone but which model Lucas magneto should it be?
Hello all
Lucas NIL with clockwise rotation I reckon.

Cheers Scott
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine

Have you tried contacting Rob.S for a door? He has a lot of farm pumper parts growing out in the paddock with the rest of the cast iron crop.
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Magnetos for SC engines
Hi Adam did not receive you email post the numbers on here if you want to
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Hi Ian,

Some numbers for the Southern Cross register,
18350, being repaired.
25649 and 22919, flywheels only, found at Toowoomba Swap Meet.

The attached photo is a magneto I have from another pumper, would it be correct for a 1944? I think not due to the additional aluminium brackets.

Thanks Adam
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Default Re: Southern Cross Farm Pump Engine

That magneto is a Lucas RS1. It is the same as on our Buzacott farm pumper but I know it is not the correct one for my year model. I think Don Reid suggested that BTH was an original on my engine.
The RS1 is readily available and a mate of mine down here had a couple of them for sale at the RIR last weekend, he may still have them.
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