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Old 08-27-2015, 11:28:58 PM
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Default Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Here is a nice little Cretors steam engine serial# 6077 as indicated by the stamping on the connecting rod brass.As you can see it has very little Nickel plating left.I had to wire brush the flywheel to get the razor sharp peeling nickel plating off..which was about 70% gone anyway.

Another issue is the frame casting has been modified by cutting off the protrusion which carries the horizontal bevel gear.

I am still cleaning it up with Simple Green and gold pinstripe is slowing beginning to appear.It seems to be in nice condition..not all flogged out.

Can anyone ball park a build date by the serial number? How rare are these verticals compared to the horizontal oscillating engines? Thank you!
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Default Re: Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Lester, the Cretors link below will help you, once there, go to the tab Company, they have copies of the old catalogs. You can also contact the company with the serial number of your engine and they can give you information on your engine. Nice Find!
http://www.cretors.com/
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Old 09-03-2015, 10:38:01 PM
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Default Re: Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Thank you Bruce.I have contacted Cretors and they are in the process of looking up the sales history on this #6 Vertical Cretors engine.

More pics after a careful cleaning and mechanical restoration..she runs sweet! Anyone else have a vertical engine like this?
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Lester, very nice oscillator. I have 2 Cretors, one #1 engine SN 6700 and a horizontal oscillator SN 6776. I wrote to Cretors and they informed me that the engines/wagons were sold on 4/18/1910 and 5/17/1910.
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Old 09-06-2015, 10:34:22 AM
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Default Re: Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Thank you Mike
Gives me a pretty good ballpark of the date.Mostly I'm curious about whom mine was sold to..coming out of Utah in very neglected condition.
Sounds like you have two nice engines there..thanks for the information.
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Just shoot Cretors an email requesting what info they have on file. I think they got back to me in 3 or 4 days
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Default Re: Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Nice find, Lester...!

You got it looking pretty nice now and running great, too.

I have #1 engine serial #6051 from 1906.

Well done!

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I have done that Mike per Bruce's suggestion and am awaiting information.It fascinates me that this information is still available in these times.Very few companies have existed from then till now showing us just how much has been lost to history.

Several people on this site have collected and restored quite a few of these engines.Researching this little oscillator sort of educated me on the various companies which made these little ( and big ) Pop Corn machines and peanut roasters.Kingery,Dunbar and Cretors were the big players but there were others as well.

I remember as a kid seeing these Cretors Popcorn wagons and vendor carts at different places like the Santa Cruz boardwalk and places similar to that.Always wanted one of the bigger slide valve engines but have never been fortunate enough to find one.

Hard to find one anymore in any condition...especially complete.I have studied the boilers..simple corrugated "Pot type) boilers without flues.Simple with just a stay from end to end.

What impresses me the most is the fact these are not toys but real engines with a horse power rating.Even my little #6 oscillating vertical has a 1/8 HP rating and being as it ran at 35 pounds maximum pressure..I think it very remarkable they were so efficient.I know at 75 PSI mine runs like a scalded dog..yes.I had to try it

Mike..do you have the vendor carts or wagon that came with your engines? That is awesome if you do! But just having the engines is also awesome
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Lester, here are pictures of Paul Newman's #6 "phone booth" style
Cretors popcorn and peanut machine.

This is what the machine your engine came off of looks like.

Photographed by me in Paul's Salad King office in CT.

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Gil..those a wonderful pictures.Thank you! I have looked pretty hard for a restored Cretors pic showing this engine being used.I have found on the Cretors website catalogs showing their different models available but the detail leaves something to be desired from their old prints.

Your pictures show this engine in wonderful detail..how it drove the popper and how the steam manifold was made.I see the whistle and gauge has its own little manifold separate from the engine.Great details.

These pictures also show splendidly the little casting protrusion which held the bevel driven gear which would have been driven from a smaller pinion attached to the end of the crankshaft.As you compare your pics with mine you will discover this protrusion has been sawn off with a hack saw leaving saw marks and all.

I'm not sure why someone would do this.They painted over the nickeled spokes with black paint as well.I guess there was a time when these little engines ended up in junk and salvage yards and could be bought for a song.Somebody who wanted to "play" with a steam engine probably did it then threw it into a shed or on a shelf somewhere.Oh well! I appreciate it even in the condition its in..survived in spite of being unloved at one time

Thanks for the pics Gil..deeply appreciated.
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Default Re: Cretors #6 engine serial# 6077

Lester
Nope, no cart or wagons. I did get a little history from the gentleman that I bought my oscillator from.



I bought the little engine from Bob who was born and raised in a old lumber town in Arkansas. As a kid in the 50's he remembered going to the old general store in town on Saturdays and the owner would bring this engine out and he would run it on air for the kids. Several years ago the store closed and Bob had the opportunity to purchase the engine from the 3rd generation store owner.The owner didn't know much about the engine other than it was found under the counter when he was sorting things out.

One of the founding fathers of the town, who ran the post office, told Bob about a fellow that sold fresh roasted peanuts from a cart during the depression. The information that I received from Cretors stated that the #2 wagon that the engine was on, was sold in 1910 for $200 to a gentleman in a Mississippi port town about 100 miles east of the town Bob grew up in. Interesting stuff.
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Thanks for the history Mike.I've always considered the history associated with an engine is just as important as the engine itself.It is so wonderful Cretors will still supply the first hand information but especially nice when you have a time line of history belonging to it.
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I received a reply back from Cretors from Susan Fracek,their marketing director.She was such a pleasure to speak with and very appreciative of our interests in their little engines.

This engine serial# 6077 was purchased by J.H.Calkins in Topeka Kansas on December 10, 1908.Model #6 I. I think this would be the Cretors No.6 Steam Peanut Roaster and Corn Popper...Improved up to date. I believe the "I" following the #6 means "Improved".

I am so pleased to have received this information.It amazes me I can reach back through over a century to Topeka Kansas and hold something I knew was there..new and making people happy and providing an income for somebody.What an awesome feeling

I think the story adds so much to the engine.Yea Cretors!
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I've submitted a request to Cretors regarding my Type 1 engine, SN# 5009.
I haven't heard back yet, but I'm curious.....

Has anyone else ever seen a horizontal engine like mine, which
doesn't have the usual cylindrical crosshead? Instead, it has 2
guide bars on top of a flat crosshead which rides on flat parallel
surfaces of the frame.
Btw, it's complete with the governor, gauge, nameplate, etc.
I've never seen another, even after searching the internet.
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Tom..can you post a picture of this engine ? I would be interested in seeing it. I haven't seen one like you describe but I'm old enough to know there are exceptions to everything. Sounds unique.
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