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1/3 Case-Reduction Engineering Begining in Califonia


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Old 02-16-2018, 02:03:47 PM
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[So are the 1/3 Case patterns for sale the Reduction Engineering/Andres patterns?
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Old 02-16-2018, 06:24:39 PM
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thats a really good question , my understanding is the fellow with reduction eng. owns the ralph andres business , this kinda bore out by the casting crap all being around 9 inch pipe which isn't to 1/3 scale of a 1915 case 65. but there are some other weird anomaly's like the water column dosen't work right and the smoke box door hinges are in the wrong place but maybe these are the patterns from reduction or andres had a couple sets out there sorta hard to belive he would need it for run volume
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My impression is that there has been some improvements in the patterns over the years. Other than the water column I had little trouble with the castings. The door hinges were in the right place. The castings were of decent quality. There were a couple castings that lacked material. There was a couple times that the book didn't jive with the print. I think there was a discrepency on the pump gears. Overall things went well. It doesn't make sense that Ralph had 2 sets of patterns. In talking to the guy from reduction engineering I got the impression that he had limited knowledge on the construction process. In working with any casting you have to take extreem care in laying things out to make dimensions fit the castings. If you don't you will have a lot of problems.
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I wonder if there has been any attempt to track where ( and how many ) 1/3 Ralph Andreas projects there are ? How many sets of castings ?
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Old 02-19-2018, 01:28:10 PM
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thats a really good question , my understanding is the fellow with reduction eng. owns the ralph andres business
there is a little bit of a mystery here. Reduction Engineering was the name of the business that Andres owned and sold, and is the business name currently in use by folks in North Dakota who are selling 1/3 castings. But there is also a gentleman who lives out west who has a set of Andres castings for the 1/3 scale Case, which he is advertising for sale on EnginAds, I spoke to him on the phone over a month ago. The North Dakota folks have the drawings available, while the other gentleman has the original typed text that Andres typed that became the text for the Live Steam magazine issues and also for the book. Both sets of patterns have a pattern that produces a crankdisk with the name 'Reduction Engineering' on it. So it would seem that there were / are two sets of patterns for the 1/3 scale produced by Andres, but why? and why would one set have the rights to the drawings while the other has the book? We may never know.
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Default Re: 1/3 Case-Reduction Engineering Begining in Califonia

Yes there are two sets of Andres patterns. Ralph created the first set after deciding to get out of the business, then changed his mind and created the second set of patterns which are with Reduction Engineering currently. Several years ago i spoke with Ralph and thats what he told me.
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Old 02-19-2018, 04:05:35 PM
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Didn't Ralph also design a loco and have a set of patterns and plans for that, and when did he build it?

And whatever happened to Arron Ternings 1/4 scale patterns....
Last I heard Ted best had them... but, he wasn't selling any castings at the time and possibly had put the patterns up for sale.

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Ted has/had the 1/4 scale patterns for sale on engineads.
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I don't find the castings " out west " on enginads . Anybody know where they are?
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I don't find the castings " out west " on enginads . Anybody know where they are?
Perhaps he's referring to this pattern set:
https://www.enginads.com/classifieds...t/147043/cat/7

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Yesterday I was given this piece of 24" well casing , from the same well driller that sold me a piece of 16" for $20. The 16 has 3/8 wall thicknes which I believe is what Elwin used on his case front wheels . I thought the 3/8 was going be pretty hard to cut and drill . This piece of 24 has 1/2 walls . If I can get through cutting it I am worried about scale . Will it look ok on the finished tractor? I would appreciate any input !
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How about a plasma arc cutter their getting pretty cheap at say harbor freight with all the extra width you could think about extension rim I am considering them on mine as it sinks like a rock in semi sandy soil
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If you're still worried about the look of the thickness of the rim you can always taper The Edge to make it look thinner but leave it full thickness where the spokes run through...
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There are 1/2 scale back rims made out of 1/2 inch thick material....its hardly noticeable.
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We could cut them up here are you driving or flying... carry on?
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Old 02-25-2018, 09:45:03 AM
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I have a Snap On plasma cutter on loan from Gary , it's supposed to be rated for 3/8 but I have had a hard time getting it to go through 1/4 mild more of body shop tool. I did have some 1/8 stainless laying around and made an ash pan for the case .Hot knife through butter thing . My local welding shop is supposed to be having some demos of expensive ones , maybe I'll show up with this! Maybe I could call the Enterprise and get Captain Kirk to tele transport, would be a great day in Minneapolis I see your having a heat wave! I have an idea to use an abrasive saw in one of my back yard set ups , I definitely like the idea of heavy duty . I will probably take on the front 16" first , there is more of it to screw up!

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There are a ton if holes to dril. You have a lot of work ahead of you. I would spend some time searching for thinner pipe. Looks isn't the issue but the extra time you are going to spend drilling and machinning is. Its drilling a couple hundred holes through 5/16 or 3/8 vs 1/2". I got my pipe from an oil well supply place.They deal with large diameter used pipe. I got a 24"x 30"x3/8" for $80. There is enough left for extensions. If you can find some used pipe and sell that one for scrap you might be better off. One thing I would check is the out of roundness. I had an inch out of round. I used a hydraulkc jack to straighten it out. Still isn't very round but yiu can't tell. Had I have known it Butch has a roller. I think I could have had him roll them cheaper and had a better rounder wheel with a lot less work. One other thing to consider is the finish on the used pipe. What I used had some deep rust pits. I spent a lot of time with bondo filling them and getting an exceptable finish. I don't know how that will hold up. Plus when I drilled the holes for the spokes it disrupted the bondo in spots causing more work.
Things are looking good so far. There is a long road ahead of you. You can see how you can spend 5 years and 10,000 hours building one of these models. Most people don't understand that. Looks like a cool thing to do but you really have to have the passion, resources, and comitment to follow it through.
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Back yard wheel slicer a success ! I had a lot of doubt about this when I started putting it together . I had hoped that weight on the casters would take care of any thrust but initial try the casing took off side ways . I stuck a cross bar in the back end of the casing with a half inch bolt centered reasonably well and took out the slack with washers and a 1/2 pipe spacer. The piece of rectangular tube that /I /bolted the saw to acted like a torsion bar and kept the front of the saw a little above the casing . I put a foot switch on the end of the power cord and after a little experience I was able to dampen the chatter and brake the rotation with one hand . Once a groove was established I could let the casing self feed and probably had the casing turning 60 rpm . It took about 20 minutes to make one slice through the 3/8 .This piece of casing was nice and round which made this go really well . Just by eyeball watching the initial blade contact I would guess about an eighth out of round. The rims were within a sixteenth in width when I was done. I used less than a full abrasive blade to make 4 cuts. I think Elwin is right the drilling the 1/2 X 24 will be a problem ,but if I can get the 1/2 sliced now without to much trouble I am going to go for it and decide about that after I have a chance to build the front wheels . It will be a couple of days before I can get back to the case but I will make one attempt at the 24 as well as this went or possibly make a torch set up . I'll have to re configure the slicer but now that I have done it I can get it done pretty quick .
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awesome fixture and solution although you neighbors gotta really wonder what your doing as for the ton of holes I always pilot drill with like a 1/8 inch or .090 drill with a split point center drill first too did mine on the drill press with a arm clamped to the table so the wheel sat over the arm then just sorta manually indexed around
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Looks like you are getting more resourceful. You will surprize yourself with the things you will come up with as you progress.
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