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Old 04-12-2018, 05:56:41 AM
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The differential gears I used is out of a Ford 8n. The differential has nothing to do with the gearing (speed). The John Deere or Massey gears they use for the 1/2 65's would work. You just have to calculate the size of the pinion to get the speed you want. The differential just has to be strong enough to handle the hp.

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You could also change the size of the intermediate gear to get the speed you want. Whichever is less $ or fits the best.
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The differential gears I used is out of a Ford 8n. The differential has nothing to do with the gearing (speed).

You could also change the size of the intermediate gear to get the speed you want. Whichever is less $ or fits the best.
Is the casting set for a typical mainpinion, to intermediate, to differential? Is so, the intermediate size will not affect speed - changing intermediate size affects its input and output equally. The good news is that it can be sized to take up the space properly once you've determined the main & differential gears.
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Default Re: 1/2 Scale Case 110hp Project

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Its my opinion that most half scale 65s are too slow, if i were you i would get to know someone who has a tractor or machinery boneyard and work out a deal with them to be able to try different combos of gearing and only pay for what actually works after returning what didnt. I have seen many combos that came from unexpected sources so there are many ways to skin a cat.
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i agree, they are too slow. I also agree that now is the time for me to think of a different gearing setup that might make this one a little faster. If I can change gear sizes a little without making it look strange i'll do it. After doing the math it appears that this tractor will go 1.2 mph @ 250rpm if I use gears that are to scale & I hope I can do a little better than that.

I know i'd be giving up a little power in order to gain a little speed, but I don't think I would be spending enough time plowing or towing at shows with it to be concerned about that.

One other thing besides changing the size of the gears that I may look into is this "double speed" option that is advertised in the earlier Case catalogs, where the 110 could do either 2.4 mph or 5 mph. If that's something that I could replicate without getting too complicated or costly i'd consider it, but I need to learn about it first. I haven't found any pictures or diagrams or descriptions of that setup yet.

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Old 04-12-2018, 05:02:21 PM
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You are right greasy iron.
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Too slow or not depends on what you plan to do with it. Mine was modified with a chain drive to get it to normal parade speeds (2.5 mph). I went back to standard Terning gearing which is right at 1 mph. I like to pull extreme amounts of weight and do not like to parade.

The big bull gears are a problem. The biggest gears I know of are 55 MH or F30 Farmall bull gears. Neither of those tractors are especially plentiful in the junk yards. The other gears can be A JD gears which are easy to find. If you don't have a big enough bull gear, there isn't enough space between the upper and lower cannon bearings to have room for nice size fire door. I think that Terning used a 55 MH differential with an A JD bull gear as the diff ring gear. Bull gears were 55 MH, intermediate and crank pinion were A JD.

Another huge gear is the bull gear from a John Deere 9RX four-track tractor. There should be some fire damaged tractors in the late model junk yards now, but I have no idea what they would charge you for a set.
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There is penty of time to research the gear train. The best resourse for that infornation are the people who have built a 110. There are going to be issues with the 110 that we didn't have with the 65. Go to the shows. Talk to the builders. See what they used. The more time you spend doing that the better the outcome will be.
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From what I’ve gathered in the old catalogs the early 110s used the same two speed setup as the 150 road loco. Low gear is keyed to the engine shaft and high gear uses the clutch. If you check out the Anderson industries llc page on Facebook there’s a fellow building one and he’s posted pictures of the gearing and other things related to it. That might help on how you’d go about doing it.
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A bump for ya Skugger, keep the progress moving along.
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A bump for ya Skugger, keep the progress moving along.
Hey, thanks. I'm still in a research mode and a decision-making mode on this project these days, plus i'm working to turn half my garage into a shop to build this thing in. I went to Wauseon and got permission from John Schrock to spend some quality time with his 110 and take some notes & photos. It was then that I noticed some differences between the 110 and other Case tractors that I wasn't familiar with - particularly, the absence of a quadrant lever shelf, and (this was the big one) the fact that the intermediate gear turns on its own shaft that lays across the engine bed, rather than turning on a trunnion attaches to the side of the wing sheet. This was completely new to me, I didn't know Case did it that way, and my castings set did not come with bearings to support a secondary shaft for the intermediate. If I want my engine to really look like a 110, I may have to figure out how to fabricate my own parts here.

Or, I could go a different way - it might be possible for me to use these castings to build a 3/5 scale Case 65 rather than a 1/2 scale 110. The dimensions of my castings are surprisingly close to a 3/5 Case 65. If I went for a 3/5 Case 65 I wouldn't have to worry about making a secondary shaft for the intermediate, and I could also put a full canopy on the finished engine rather than the 110 cab.

I plan on attending Forest City this September where I hope to see one or two other 1/2 scale 110s so I can see how others have handled the secondary shaft issue. I'll probably make my decision after that show.

in the meantime, if anyone has input or info to provide here, please be my guest!
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The 110 would be way cooler (for the people that know what a 110 is). The average person going to a show won't know the difference. There are lot of 65's that have been built in all different scales so there are a lot more resources to draw on. With the 110 you are going to be going where few have been before you. There will be a lot more challenges and hurdles to overcome. In short a 65 would be much easier. But if it was me I would rather have the 110. Does that help?
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Default Re: 1/2 Scale Case 110hp Project

The 110 is way cooler for others to see. If you are a full size person, sitting in the half scale cab, running the steering lever, is a real pain. If you want to have fun running it, I would build an oversize 65 or 80.
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Yep... the 110 is more memorable and at this point I would stick with your original plan......plus its what you wanted.

Years ago I was wanting to buy a Harley....and then I found a good deal on a Jap bike. But like a friend pointed out ..... you will only be thinking about the Harley while riding the Jap bike...so what is the Jap bike worth to you in the end ?
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As for gears you can have them laser or waterjet cut to any diameter and thickness you want within the limits of the machine cutting them. I had some laser cut for my half scale Gaar Scott. The laser cutter I hired was limited to 1/2 thick but I just stacked 3 of them together and plug welded them to make the thickness I wanted. If not found from a junked tractor the larger diameter/bull gears could be made in two or more sections and welded together (saving some material cost vs cutting the whole gear as one piece from the plate). If the mating gears are either somewhat harder or softer to each other, they should run together pretty good and not gall. The key is to get what you want drawn up in a cad program to send to the plate cutter. For the differential I used one from a Deere B and it looked fairly true to the original, and they are plentiful out there.
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Oldtractors makes a good point. Johs Shrek's 110 doesn't have the cab. Sometimes you can build something with the option of easily altering it if it doesn't work out (ie pull a couple of pins and get it out of the way). Canopies look nice but try running a model with one on. That applies to other things. Like wheel extensions on a 3d scale. They look cool but try getting it in your living room.

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As was mentioned before go to shows and see how these things are worked out by other builders. They will be the best source of information.
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How is your 110 project going? I am thinking about building one myself. Did you get a set of drawings. How much were the castings from cattail?
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the project is off to a very slow start, actually i'm still setting up my shop space to work on this. The castings were poured by Cattail, I purchased them from Emmanuel Beiler for $5600 plus shipping. These castings come from the Tom Stiebritz patterns.

I spent some time talking with Lawrence Swanz this past fall, he may soon have a set of drawings to sell for these castings. I know he is thinking of producing a couple 1/2 scale 110s to sell. I may also be able to get some cast gears from him.

Also, I should say that I decided to go ahead with the 1/2 scale 110 plans, not the 3/5 65 plans. After attending Heritage Days in Iowa in September and seeing another 1/2 scale up close, with the same castings set, I think i'd be plenty happy with a 1/2 scale 110.
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Hi Everyone and Happy Holidays

Wanted to let everyone know Mr. Beiler is working with us here at LeRoy Machine LLC to create a complete set of good working drawings for the 1/2 scale 110 Case. We are getting all the full size drawings for the 1912 110 from Case and we are scaling them down and where needed we are making adjustments to work with Mr. Beiler's castings. Originally when Mr. Beiler got the patterns the rear wheel hub was made in 3 pieces. We have completely eliminated those patterns and made a new pattern to cast the rear hub in 1 piece as the originals. We have also made a new pattern for the crank disc. The drawing package will include all drawings spokes, wheel rim hole layout etc. New parts are being added to the package that wasn't included before, such as the distance links and turnbuckle castings to set the cannon bearings. We are looking at doing other parts for the engine to make it more authentic looking.

We will also be offering the complete set of gears for the drive train including the differential. These will have the teeth on them and will be cast in ductile Iron.

We also offer machining service for parts that folks don't have the equipment large enough to machine on these engine.

Lund Machine Works is creating our 1/2 scale boiler to Case drawings.
For information on the boilers contact Jeff Lund.

For more information contact me at LeRoy Machine LLC my information is on the sponsor page.

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Does anybody out there know about how much a half 110 weighs? What size governers are being use, I talked to one guy that is going to use a 1 1/4. thanks
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Dave Weyand has a 3/5 scale of a Case 45 hp tractor that is just about the size of a half scale 110 and uses some of the half scale 110 castings. His engine weighs around 5400 lbs & that's with a 16 inch boiler barrel. The boiler for the 110 will have a 20 inch barrel. The general consensus I've received when asking about this is that I should plan on the half scale 110 being around 6000 lbs.

Also, after asking around for advice, the general consensus is that 3/4 inch injectors will be needed, not 1/2 inch injectors; and that a 1 1/4 inch or 1 1/2 inch governor will be needed. The half scale 110 I saw at the Heritage Park show in Iowa last September had a 1 1/4 inch governor & it ran just fine on the belt under load.

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